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Infrastructure Expert at a pharma/biotech company with 501-1,000 employees
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Designed to make IT life simpler (infrastructure framework) and more cost effective (an appliance) for an organization.

What is most valuable?

Vblock™ – 3 of the World Technology Leaders Come together (something rarely seen) 

To start out I am NOT an employee for VCE/EMC/Cisco. This is based off of my own opinions and experiences. Now let’s get started 

The future of technology seems to be about effectively using datacenter resources and underutilized hardware. I believe that you need to converge infrastructure components to effectively use a datacenter. To me, a Vblock™ is basically a Technology Appliance that allows organizations to raise the bar for infrastructure utilization.

In order to maximize you’re spending (OPEX - operating expense) as well as your infrastructure utilization, you will have to have convergence and Vblock™ does this effectively. 

I also believe that Vblock™ will allow you to build and get to a cloud model in a much faster well-organized way.What I believe and have seen with the Vblock™ is that it allows an organization to move more effectively toward a Private Cloud model as well as maintain a high-level of performance to their customers. The Vblock™ alone will NOT get you to a “cloud model” but it’s a major step in the right direction. Vblock™ allows you to have a converged infrastructure that allows you to pool storage, computing and networking to optimize datacenter infrastructure (lower TCO - total cost of ownership). Seemingly, you get better performance in a black box at a lower cost. 

In my opinion Vblock™ technology allows you to virtualize and consolidate your systems while continuing to provide a high-level of performance that has been tested prior to running in your datacenter environment (validation of an outcome). Vblock™ (Standard components and devices based on my experiences): 

  • Cisco UCS blade chassis 5108s. • Cisco B230s and B200s UCS Blade Models
  • VMax and VNX 7500 Storage Models (EMC storage devices). 
  • Cisco networking switches (6140s & 55xx) and FCOE inside UCS for connectivity (Standard Vblock™) 
  • EMC RecoverPoint™ SAN replication (Block Base) with native splitters on the storage devices

Vblock™ allows an organization to standardize on what I call a ‘complete infrastructure framework/platform’ with many different components (Compute/Network/Storage). This can simplify an organization’s support as well as help companies move away from a fragmented infrastructure. This convergence (pooling) allows you to share resources to infrastructure components at the same time. 

Vblock™ allows for higher density level in a datacenter which can reduce your physical footprint. I have seen where Vblock™ technology allows cost savings by reduction in hardware maintenance cost (smaller carbon footprint) as well as consolidation on the virtual side. 

UCS manager allows companies to profile their systems for specific settings based on what application may run and where it will run (server profiles) for fast deployments and provisioning. This builds in versatility when you have hardware failures. 

Finally, Vblock™ model has allowed for ease of management from my experiences.

In addition, Vblock™ does enable disaster recovery plans/exercises and effective off-site recoverability to be more structured (i.e. simpler to perform) from my experience. That’s not only the Vblock™ but a major component of disaster recovery and business continuity. I have also experienced EMC RecoverPoint™ deployed with Vblock™ technology to perform state-full SAN replication on the backend with EMC storage to do block replication. This type of replication allows for a smaller RPO (recover point objective). I have also experienced EMC Data Domain® and Avamar® Grids deployed for effective virtual machine and database backup and restore capability. The replication from Vblock™ to Vblock™ allows us to focus on true “application” DRs vs. infrastructure DR opportunities. 

My Opinion: The Vblock™ is designed, to make IT life simpler (infrastructure framework) and more cost effective (an appliance) for an organization.

What needs improvement?

I think there needs to be more tools to monitor and manage the Vblock™ as a whole, instead of pieces.

What do I think about the scalability of the solution?

Vblock™ has full scalability. It is flexible from storage to networking components to Cisco UCS blades & chassis (opinion - which in this day and age is one of the leaders in the industry for server hardware) and supports many different configurations.

What other advice do I have?

The views and opinions expressed above are the author's opinions and not do not necessarily reflect his employer’s policies or positions and the author does not intend to so represent his employer.

Disclosure: I am a real user, and this review is based on my own experience and opinions.
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it_user6903 - PeerSpot reviewer
it_user6903Head of Engineering at CloudBearings
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Am not a user of Vblock technology but sounds like we have a similar offering from Oracle i.e. Oracle Exalogic Elastic Cloud which Oracle claims world’s Best Foundation for Applications:-)

Exalogic is a private cloud have options to create hundreds of server on the fly and lot of options there. Also it hardware and software engineered together to provide extreme performance, reliability and scalability for Oracle, Java and other applications, while delivering lower TCO, reduced risk, higher user productivity and one-stop support.

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it_user866172 - PeerSpot reviewer
Manager, Supply Chain Application Development at a retailer with 1,001-5,000 employees
Real User
​We have seen measurable increases in our system performance
Pros and Cons
  • "​We have seen measurable increases in our system performance. Those increases have been directly measurable in application performance and the delivery of critical business information to our users.​"
  • "Tighter alignment could simplify and speed up the configuration and delivery process.​"

What is our primary use case?

Wholesale infrastructure upgrade of aging hardware and virtualization software.

How has it helped my organization?

We have seen measurable increases in our system performance. Those increases have been directly measurable in application performance and the delivery of critical business information to our users.

What is most valuable?

A unified platform of support, which expands easily and frees the staff to focus on our business and less on the complexities of a mixed hardware/software environment.

What needs improvement?

Due to the complexity of the complete solution, there are many groups involved in delivering the complete solution. Tighter alignment could simplify and speed up the configuration and delivery process.

For how long have I used the solution?

One to three years.

What other advice do I have?

We are very satisfied with the solution and the benefits that we have received from it. We have been using it in production for over a year.

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IT Infrastructure-Storage & System Admininstration at a energy/utilities company with 1,001-5,000 employees
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​It has improved system performance and reliability with production applications
Pros and Cons
  • "​The XtremIO All-Flash array delivers​ performance, reliability, and deduplication."
  • "​It has improved system performance, batch times for off-hours processing, and reliability with production applications.​"
  • "Improve the patching process and timeliness of updates/releases."

What is our primary use case?

The primary use case is for virtualized Linux databases and an application server using Oracle 11g/12c. The primary reason for Vblock is for the performance and deduplication that we are getting across our production, test, dev, and training environments.

How has it helped my organization?

It has improved system performance, batch times for off-hours processing, and reliability with production applications.

What is most valuable?

The XtremIO All-Flash array delivers performance, reliability, and deduplication.

What needs improvement?

  • The patching process
  • Timeliness of updates/releases
  • Compatibility with current ESX versions

For how long have I used the solution?

One to three years.

What other advice do I have?

I would have given it a higher rating except for how the patching and updates are applied.

Disclosure: I am a real user, and this review is based on my own experience and opinions.
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it_user4647 - PeerSpot reviewer
Infrastructure Expert at a insurance company with 501-1,000 employees
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1st Year in Review - pre-sales vs. reality

Well we have just passed a year of Vblock ownership and the last year has passed rather painlessly.

Our Vblock was one of the first out there, delivered in November 2011. I wanted to provide some pros and cons of Vblock ownership. Some of the themes are not Vblock specific, but worth bearing in mind because there will always be a gap between what you hear from pre-sales and what the reality is.

Pros:

VCE – The company has been constantly improving which is good to see. Not content to rest on their laurels, they really have grabbed the bull by the horns and they are innovating in a lot of areas.

Vblock – The concept of the Vblock itself deserves a mention. VCE are definitely on the right path… it’s like the first generation Model T Ford. I’m sure old Henry had hundred’s of suppliers that provided the components for his Model T and he came along with the assembly line production and he put it all together. This is like what is happening over at VCE. Over time I’m hoping that the integration between components will become more and more seamless as the demand for pre-configured virtualisation platforms grows and grows and the designers behind each of the components are forced to work closer together.

Management and Support - If you have a bloated IT support team in large sprawling organisation, a Vblock can help reduce your head count by simplifying your environment. One thing converged infrastructure platforms are good for, is breaking down the traditional support silos with regards to storage, network, compute, virtualisation. When all the components are so tightly integrated, your silo’d operations team morphs into one.

Compatibility Matrix – This has to be the biggest selling point in my book. Taking away the pain of ensuring compatibility between so many different components. The VCE matrix is far more stringent than individual vendor product testing and therefore far more trust worthy. Try getting a complete infrastructure upgrade over a single weekend across storage, network, compute and virtualisation components through your change management team. It’s not going to happen unless it’s been pre-tested.

Single line of support – Being able to call a single number when there is any issue, immensely simplifies fault finding and problem resolution. Worth it alone just for this and the matrix.

Single pain of glass – This is where UIMp is starting to come into its own. It’s been a long road, but the future looks good. VCE’s goal is to replace each of the individual management consoles so that VCE customers can use UIMp for all their automated provisioning. When it works, it really does simplify provisioning.

Customer Advocate – In my experience the customer advocate offers great value. Extremely useful when managing high severity incidents and ensuring your environment remains up to date and in support, with regular services reviews and providing an easy path into VCE to organise training sessions, bodies to fill gaps in support, provide direct line of contact to escalation engineers and just deal with any queries and questions you may have about your environment.

Cons:

The AMP – the major design flaw in the AMP for me is the 1GB network. Data transfers between VMs in our 10GB service cluster can achieve 300 Mbps; as soon as the AMP is involved it drops to 30Mbps. Really annoying and what is in the AMP' vCenter, which is used to import virtual machines. Let’s say you are doing a migration of 1000 VMs for example… that 30Mbps is going to get really annoying and it has.

Cost – The Vblock hardware isn’t so bad, but what really surprised me is the amount of and cost of the licenses. Want to add a UCS Blade' No problem, that will be £5k for the blade and about £3k for the licenses – UCS, UIMp, VNX, vSphere,  etc. It all adds up pretty quickly. Ensuring you adequately size your UCS blades up front, i.e. plenty of memory and CPU is really important.

Management & Support – Converged Infrastructure Platforms require a lot of ongoing support and management. This is an issue not limited to VCE. It’s just the nature of the beast. If you have  an immature IT organisation and have had a fairly piecemeal IT infrastructure and support team up until now, you will be in for a shock when you purchase a converged infrastructure platform. There’s no doubt a Vblock is an excellent product, but it’s excellent because it uses the latest and greatest, which can be complex. It also comprises multiple products  from 3 different vendors – EMC, Cisco and VMware, so you need the right skillset to manage it, which can be expensive to find and train. It takes at least a year for someone to become familiar with all components of the Vblock  You’re always going to have employees with core skills like virtualisation, storage, network, compute, etc, but you do want people to broaden their skills and be comfortable with the entire stack.

Integration between products – See above, multiple products from 3 different vendors. At the moment the VCE wrapper is just that, little more than a well designed wrapper, lots of testing and a single line of support. Ok, so EMC own VMware, but it seems to make little difference. EMC can’t even align products within their own company, how on earth can they expect to align products with a subsidiary'  If the Vblock is going to be a single vendor product, then all 3x vendors need to invest in closer co-operation to align product lifecycles and integration. VMware release vCenter 5.1 and Powerpath have to release an emergency patch to support it' Going back to my Model T analogy, the Vblock is never going to become a real Model T until Cisco buys EMC or EMC drop Cisco and start making the compute\network components. Not so far fetched.

Complexity – The VCE wrapper hasn’t changed the complexity. (This is the same with HP or Flexpod.) This is another myth. “We’ve made it simple!”. Er, no, you haven’t. You’ve just done all the design work and testing for us. Until the integration above takes places, which will allow for simplification of the overall package its going to remain just a wrapper and it’s still going to remain an extremely complex piece of kit. VCE have focused efforts on improving UIMp to simplify Vblock provisioning and to simplify Vblock management through a single interface but really these are just band aids if the individual components are made by separate companies.

Patching – Even though there is a compatibility matrix, which does the integration and regression testing for you, it still doesn’t take away the pain\effort of actually deploying the patches. Having a Vblock doesn’t mean there is no patching required. This is a common pre-sales myth, ‘Don’t worry about it, we’ll do all the patching for you.’ Sure, but at what cost' Security patches, bug fixes and feature enhancements come out more or less monthly and this has to be factored in to your budget and over time costs.

Monitoring and Reporting – This is a pain and I know there are plans afoot at VCE to simplify this, but currently there is no single management point you can query to monitor the vitals of a Vblock  If you want to know the status of UCS: UCS manager, VNX: Unisphere, ESXi: vCenter, etc. For example, you buy VCOps but that only plugs into vCenter, so you are only aware of what resources vCenter has been assigned. To get a helicopter view of the entire Vblock from a single console is impossible. UIMp gives you a bit of a storage overview: available vs provisioned, but does not give you much more than that. So you end up buying these tactical solutions for each of the individual components, like VNX Monitoring and Reporting. Hopefully soon we will be able to query a single device and get up to date health checks and alerting for all Vblock components.

Niggles – There have been a few small niggles, mainly issues between vCenter/Cisco 1000V and vCenter/VNX 7500 but overall for the amount of kit we purchased it has not been bad. I think a lot of these issues had to do with vCenter 5\ESXi 5. As soon as Upgrade 1 came out, everything settled down. Note to self don’t be quick up upgrade to vCenter 6/ESXi 6!

Disclosure: I am a real user, and this review is based on my own experience and opinions.
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it_user4854 - PeerSpot reviewer
it_user4854Senior Technical Marketing Manager at VMware
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Gareth's review is honest, open, and the kind of feedback that our Sales Teams need to bring back to Engineering. I didn't take the article as VCE Bashing, and I hope my response wasn't interpreted as "defending" VCE. Rather, I wanted to explain to some of the thought behind our design decisions.

Regarding the AMP, VCE's intent is to give a low-cost management infrastructure, separate from production per VMware's recommendations, to run the critical management applications only. Some larger organizations may want to pay for the added options of the Cisco VIC or 10 Gb CNA\NIC and a pair of 10 Gb switches to accommodate bandwidth requirements for additional management components. Customers may also want flexible virtual networking options. In all such cases, we need to hear that from you guys to influence future AMP designs.

Regarding the Single vendor stack, VCE doesn't design all its parts, but our great Engineering organization gets us pretty close to that point. Bear with me as I shed some light on the great work that those ladies and gentlemen do.

The Design Team takes the best components from industry. Instead of relying on manufacturer best practices, the team works with their counterparts at the Investor companies to truly understand how the components work. Then, they design the Vblock so that the components work together in the most optimal way. In addition, for each Release Certification Matrix (the big table of which component firmware versions match up), additional time is spent making sure that interoperability issues are not experienced by the customers. All these decisions are then vetted and put into exhaustive testing by our QA Teams.

The aim is to prevent customers from having to think about the individual components and instead focus on the Vblock as a stack of optimized resources for critical applications. I'll break out the car analogy: When you purchase your car from <* insert favorite manufacturer *>, customers tend to care more about transportation rather than the components underneath (other than they are good quality).

The manufacturer may source the brakes from Brembo, the clutch and flywheel from ACT, the stereo from Bose, etc. However, what the customer gets is an optimized product after the source components are fully examined and engineered into a single combined product (typically, within ~45 days of ordering already racked and stacked in the case of Vblocks)

Now, there are customers who do care about individual components, as Gareth pointed out, and these concerns are based on real-world pain points. The Engineering Teams are always looking for feedback to make the Vblock better with each release. Keep the feedback coming, and keep your VCE Sales Reps in the loop too.

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Virtualization Specialist at a tech services company with 10,001+ employees
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It gives us the flexibility to grow the environment when necessary. Use host profile, including on the ESXi install on the blades, instead of create all server manually.

What is most valuable?

I'm not so excited with Vblock solution. The only good point is that the customer does not need install anything because VCE delivers the product ready to be used.

How has it helped my organization?

It gives us the flexibility to grow the environment when necessary.

What needs improvement?

Use host profile as this feature is available on the product acquired, including on the ESXi install on the blades, instead of create all server manually.

For how long have I used the solution?

7 months.

What was my experience with deployment of the solution?

So far so good.

What do I think about the stability of the solution?

No.

What do I think about the scalability of the solution?

No.

How are customer service and technical support?

Customer Service:

The D&I team was very good.

Technical Support:

Did not use yet.

Which solution did I use previously and why did I switch?

No.

How was the initial setup?

No.

What about the implementation team?

The solution was implemented by VCE team. They did a great job.

What was our ROI?

I don't have this information.

What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?

Just be careful to buy enough licenses to grow your environment when necessary.

Which other solutions did I evaluate?

No.

Disclosure: I am a real user, and this review is based on my own experience and opinions.
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Enterprise Infrastructure Engineer at Sterling Bank Plc
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Access to VMs is faster due to the centralized management console
Pros and Cons
  • "The high redundancy of components has minimized frequent service degradation/failure."
  • "Access to VMs is now faster due to the centralized management console."
  • "It needs more customer/client involvement in back-end management."

What is our primary use case?

Consolidation of physical and virtual server pockets in the data center across different OEMs.

How has it helped my organization?

  • Access to VMs is now faster due to the centralized management console.
  • Navigation is easy and self-explanatory.
  • The high redundancy of components has minimized frequent service degradation/failure.

What is most valuable?

Management solution ViZ: UCS.

What needs improvement?

  • User interface
  • More customer/client involvement in back-end management.

For how long have I used the solution?

One to three years.
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it_user371706 - PeerSpot reviewer
Enterprise Architect Infrastructure at a engineering company with 1,001-5,000 employees
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It basically gives us a menu of firmware versions which we can use to upgrade to the latest version and interoperability is guaranteed.

Valuable Features

I feel this is a tie between two features. VCE’s secret sauce is their release compatibility matrix which allows us to deploy updates without the need for significant testing. The second is the Cisco UCS platform which allows a simple and easy way to manage all of our compute.

Improvements to My Organization

In the past the server team would spend weeks downloading and testing interoperability with different versions of firmware on the servers, switches, fabric, and storage to get the most up to date and bug free operations. Now VCE gives us basically a menu of firmware versions and we can upgrade to the latest version and interoperability is guaranteed.

Room for Improvement

The VCE Vision product definitely needs some improvement as it is not as easy to use as other commercial off the shelf software. There is a lot of configuration that needs to be done from the Linux command line. Hopefully in the future all configuration can be done from an HTML5 webpage. Also, each Vblock needs its own Vision appliance which gets cumbersome when you own many Vblocks. The ability to use a pair of HA vision servers to manage multiple Vblocks would be helpful

Use of Solution

The first Vblock 720 was installed in 2014. Currently we have two Vblock 720 models, each with two XtremIO bricks. They are connected with a vplex metro cluster. We also own multiple Vblock 100s for remote office computing.

Scalability Issues

We have expanded the capacity of our existing systems numerous times without issue.

Customer Service and Technical Support

Extremely good. We usually receive on shore support when we have issues, which is always a plus as there is no “lost in translation” issues that can occur with some offshore support models.

Initial Setup

It was very straightforward, we filled out a spreadsheet called a logical configuration survey which contains all of our integration information and the Vblock arrived configured and ready to be plugged in.

Implementation Team

We used VCE professional services for all of our installations. The team is very easy to work with and extremely reliable.

ROI

The cost of the system really comes down to the discount you are receiving from VMware, Cisco, and EMC. If you deal with these vendors on a regular basis you will better understand the cost of a complete solution.

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I cannot praise the support I got from them enough but a vBlock only makes really good sense if your existing infrastructure is Cisco based

So, you want to get into the whole virtualization scene and you don’t want to deal with vast amounts of vendors, contracts and all the other things that tend to follow' A modern and virtualized infrastructure can be a pain, but VCE has a remedy for this, at least within certain parameters.

The VCE vBlock™is an all-in-one virtualization platform that comes complete with a midrange, tiered  FC SAN from EMC, Cicso 5548 switches to tie into your existing infrastructure (assuming you already have one that is) and a Cisco UCS blade chassis for processing power. All fit into a couple of pretty racks, delivered and configured (if you want it so) by capable professionals.

Okay. So far, so good, so what'

Let’s discuss the good part first: You get a complete package, and a decent UI to go with it. All you need to do is provision a set number of data stores, hosts and vlans, press deploy and 2-3 hours later you are ready to go. No mucking about with WWNs, LUN provisioning, CDs with ESXi and so on. UIM, as the UI management tool is called, feels a bit clunky right off the bat, but you get used to it and chances are that you won’t see all that much of it when you have deployed your stuff anyway.

EMC’s tiering also seems to work OK, from I admit, my limited experience with it. If it works, there is no reason to overly mess with it.

And now for the not-so-good, at least in this author’s not so humble opinion.

A vBlock only makes really good sense if your existing infrastructure is Cisco based. Cisco has their own way of doing stuff and does not play nice with other equipment. The processing hardware isn’t really that good either, especially considering what Cisco likes to charge you for what is nothing more than mid range x86 blades.

In everyday operations you hit another couple of snags. The default setup is based on the (in VMware circuits) highly debated Nexus 1000V™. I will not get into the love-hate relationship VMware admins have with this piece of software, but I feel obliged to mention that it dies for me no less than 3 times in a 2 month time span taking the entire production environment with it. Put a couple of hundred servers on a vBlock and that is costly downtime. However, there is nothing that stops you from using VMware switches, but Nexus 1000V™ is somewhat implied.

A word on VCE support: They are very competent and the most helpful support team I have ever come across in my 15 years in this business. I cannot praise the support I got from them enough.

2 considerations you need to make are:

Can I afford this' The vBlock is portrayed as a high end piece of machinery. The problem is that all the components are mid range at best.

Can I live with the configuration limitations' You are stuck at Cisco’s mercy if you want to upgrade. Cisco does a lot of stuff well, and getting paid is one of them.

How about scaling' This is a possible issue for the enterprise market. Each vBlock is its own entity. The VMs on a vBlock are stuck there and can’t be moved off it without downtime and some pretty heavy admin magic. Assuming it is available that is. 10 vBlocks means you will have 10 SANs, 20 physical 5548 switches and so on to administer. Imagine the horror of administering 100 of these babies'

PROS:

Easy setup and roll out

Comes in a complete package with one vendor and excellent support

CONS:

Price

Scalability

(Expensive) Vendor lock in

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it_user6702 - PeerSpot reviewer
it_user6702IT Administrator with 51-200 employees
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Well written and well argued!