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Challenges transitioning from version 9 to 10

I'm just starting to transition flows from 9 to 10 now. Central definitely seems quicker and more secure. Developing in studio is quite different given that we are now working with projects and are required to reference content packs and their operations (it feels similar to developing in visual studio in the way you create new projects and add references to dll's) but I must admit I am still learning v10. SCM seems to be a great alternative to the public repo in version 9. I'm hoping at some point HP allow us to utilise third party SCM's such as team foundation server so organisations can utilise their corporate SCM solution.

My challenge at the moment is converting our custom .Net ops from version 9 to 10. Also with exchange operations within the business applications content pack, if you get any invalid ops stating 'Plugin data Jar was not found in studio plugin repository' you may require a 64-bit version of microsoft.grouppolicy.interop.dll on your windows OS. (HP do have a work around)

HP documentation and the OO community have come a long way in providing a one stop shop for content, doco and updates. Although I'd love to see more videos of OO on the community page, such as development of new ops/plugins using maven as this is quite new to me.

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Principal Infrastructure Engineer at a tech services company with 10,001+ employees
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It gives a solid platform to write flows for maintaining DevOps environments, but technical support needs improvement as it's a highly-sought after automation tool.

What is most valuable?

1. Ability to integrate with with other tools like ServiceNow, HPSA, HPOM, SiteScope.

2. Gives solid platform to write flows for maintaining DevOps environments.

3. Supports multiple IT domains such as Cloud, Virtualization, SAP Orchestration, Security Ops, and DevOps.

4. Well-categorized.

How has it helped my organization?

It turned mundane tasks automated.

Flow that we have created does Account creation and termination when and where required.

Flow monitors the health of agents and pushes mail on daily basis.

It also self-heals and does basic remedy.

Multiple users can work on the same automation peace as it supports SCM which internally supports version-ing.

What needs improvement?

Training.

Skilled Professionals

For how long have I used the solution?

over 4 years

What was my experience with deployment of the solution?

We have no issues with product deployments, where sometimes we used to have few issues like every other software product. We get hot fix, patches and remedy instructions from HP. which mostly resolves issues occurred.

What do I think about the stability of the solution?

No. Stability is good.

What do I think about the scalability of the solution?

With new version scalability is highly achieved. You can add additional components to existing architecture WITHOUT downtime, which is amazing.

How are customer service and technical support?

Customer Service:

Customer service is one of those areas that definitely needs to be improved.

3.5 out of 10

Technical Support:

Needs improvement. HP itself needs to improve skill on this product as this is mostly sought automation tool which offers wide range of automation.

Which solution did I use previously and why did I switch?

We had used HPSA and found OO can be really handy in terms of automation and started using it.

How was the initial setup?

If you understand architecture, it's quite easy and you can can customize based on your need.

There is never a complexity in OO.

What about the implementation team?

In my previous financial/banking firm we had HP team implementing it. Here in current accounts, I have my hand in implementing.

In my next role with different organization, I'm going to start implementation of OO. I'm excited about this and waiting for the role.

What was our ROI?

We have saved few million dollars with OO.

Big surprise is we have special GUI based screen where you ROI on every flow.

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it_user79788 - PeerSpot reviewer
Network Engineer at a tech consulting company with 51-200 employees
Consultant
Has HP Abandoned Operations Manager?

HP Operations Manager has been around a long time in the Enterprise server management space. I first started working with it around 2001, and I’ve always had a soft spot for it, but I’m ready to declare it abandoned. HP has failed to develop the product, and they now seem to be actively working on a viable alternative.

HP Operations Manager (HP OM) is an agent-based server monitoring system. Agents are installed on monitored systems. Monitoring policies are defined at the central server, and pushed to agents. This keeps the bulk of the processing local, as agents only need to raise exceptions. It also makes agents very powerful – they can do anything on a managed node – check processes, monitor logfiles, run actions, etc. HP OM can also act as a Manager-of-Manager, receiving and consolidating events from other systems – e.g. HP SIM, NNMi, Storage Essentials, SiteScope, etc. It has been around in some form or another since 1993. It’s had a few name changes over the years – OpenView Operations, ITO, VantagePoint Operations, and now just Operations Manager. It has Windows and Unix versions (abbreviated to OMW and OMU/OML respectively). The Windows and Unix variants use the same agents, and can share policies, but the administrative and operator interfaces are completely different.

Development for HP Operations Manager appears to have stalled recently. The last update for OMW (9.0) was in September 2010, and the last update for OML/OMU (9.10) was in November 2010. Since then we have seen further releases for the underlying Operations Agent, and some small patches for Operations Manager, but no real enhancements. HP OM has increasingly ill-suited to modern dynamic environments, and unsurprisingly I hear that sales are well down, and crucially support renewals are dropping significantly.

HP OM has not adapted well to modern demands. It does not deal well with VMs being deployed at a high rate. It does not offer service monitoring capabilities. It does not offer any way to connect to cloud provider APIs. The agents have continued to be unstable. The administrative interface for OML/OMU looks like something I wrote over a weekend based on a shopping cart – it does not look like a piece of software that costs tens of thousands of dollars. Or actually maybe it does – Enterprise software in general tends to be ugly. HP didn’t even develop it themselves – they licensed the admin interface from Blue Elephant Systems. The Java GUI for OML/OMU was a disgrace in 2002 – and it hasn’t changed since.

Java GUI circa 2002

Java GUI circa 2012

(OK, so I cheated, those images are the same – but that’s because it hasn’t changed).

I can only assume this lack of development was because they lost out politically, and could not secure the necessary funding and resources. I believe the turning point for HP Operations Manager was the 2006 purchase of Mercury Interactive. This completely reshaped the HP Software division. That portfolio included SiteScope, an agent-less server monitoring system. OM’s design and architecture just didn’t fit into this model. Efforts to integrate them have been derisory – e.g. the system for using HP OM to manage policies across multiple SiteScope servers is the sort of poor code that I might do as a quick hack. It does not meet the marketing message of “fully integrated.”

Also consider this diagram showing how Operations Manager should fit into your overall architecture:

Image from www.softpanorama.net

Note how everything feeds into Operations Manager, which then feeds into Operations Manager i (OMi)? To the uninitiated: OMi is a different product, in spite of the near-identical name. When you look at that, you ask yourself – what’s the point in HP OM there? Why not just feed directly into OMi?

So what’s the future of OMW/OMU? Let’s try reading between the lines – look at the recent announcement by HP about OMi Monitoring Automation. This separates monitoring policies (configuration, thresholds, etc) from implementation (agent-based, agentless). It bypasses the OM server requirement, with agents directly managed by the OMi server. I haven’t seen enough of the implementation details yet to confirm that OM has been completely replaced, but it’s clear enough to me what the future direction is. Development has continued for Operations Agent, but clearly Operations Manager is surplus to requirements. Well maybe it all makes sense – why the hell did they ever have two separate products, one named “Operations Manager”, and another named “Operations Manager i”?

What future for HP OM then? It now only makes sense as a Manager-of-Managers for organisations that are too small to commit to the whole HP BSM suite. Even those organisations need to re-think their use of OM though, as it can’t handle a dynamic environment, and stands little chance of being able to integrate proper APM, or cloud service monitoring. There are other products out there that are better suited to modern medium-sized organisations.

To the HP people reading this: Obviously you can’t publicly confirm any of this. You’ve promised ongoing support to those still paying their annual support fees. But if I’m wrong, then show me the code. Deliver some updates to the product, and show us that it is being actively developed. Vague promises of continued commitment mean nothing without shipping code. To customers using HP OM: My advice is to start planning your migration away from it, if you haven’t already. To customers considering purchasing it: Don’t, unless you’re buying it as part of an overall BSM/OMi implementation, and the salesfolk have guaranteed you can change your licensing over at no cost in future.

Disclaimer: The company I work for is partners with several vendors including HP.

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it_user364176 - PeerSpot reviewer
Senior Manager - Cloud Services - Automation and Tools at a tech vendor with 10,001+ employees
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The main driver for us is its event remediation function. We can get alerts in Operations Manager, extract the relevant information, and either send an email to our customers or use it for escalation.

What is most valuable?

The main driver for us using this is for its event remediation function. We can get alerts in Operations Manager, extract the relevant information, and either send an email to our customers or use it for escalation. 

It's also easy to use and we don't have to go through a lot of extensive training. Even other teams within our organization have started to leverage it because it's easy to use.

How has it helped my organization?

We've reduced the amount of time it would take to resolve an incident or to send an escalation to a customer. It's saved us many man hours.

What needs improvement?

I'd like to see it in an active-active infrastructure so that if one goes down, the other picks up automatically. Only an active-passive application exists currently.

Also, there are automation tools out there that are more unified -- network, database, servers. Operations Orchestration doesn't do everything and you need to buy other components for other tasks.

What was my experience with deployment of the solution?

It's deployed well for us.

What do I think about the stability of the solution?

It's been stable for the most part. We had issues during event remediation when a lot of alerts were going through it and we had to increase RAM and CPU to handle the load.

What do I think about the scalability of the solution?

We haven't yet tested its limits or maxed it out yet.

Which solution did I use previously and why did I switch?

We have a mix of products and it's not the only automation product we have. We're a big HP shop and it's good that it can integrate with other HP solutions that we use.

What other advice do I have?

I would advise you to list all your use cases first, and really figure out what their trying to do. It's easy, is an easy orchestration tool. It's very visual. If you're not looking to code a lot, it's pretty cool. And it just depends on the level of skillset you have in the organization.

From a coding perspective, if there are open search tools out there that require more expertise than actually scripting, in this, you don't do that. You go to the studio and you drag and drop things and you make things work. So from that perspective it's easy. It's more UI driven.

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it_user671301 - PeerSpot reviewer
Project Manager at a tech services company with 11-50 employees
Consultant
Automation is a huge benefit when doing integration.

What is most valuable?

The ease of use is most valuable.

How has it helped my organization?

We do integration for other companies and automation is a huge, huge benefit, obviously.

What needs improvement?

The integration grid between the SA and OL needed improvement, but that was solved. Like in SA studio, we needed to have our workflows and stuff created. Then, using a batch file you had to synch and so on. But that was solved. It is all integrated.

For how long have I used the solution?

I have been using this for about six months.

What do I think about the stability of the solution?

We used a previous version but that was stable. We have had no down time.

What do I think about the scalability of the solution?

It will going to meet our needs going forward.

How are customer service and technical support?

For us, support is really good. But then we know a lot of inside people. We don’t have to wait on the phone.

Which solution did I use previously and why did I switch?

When looking for a vendor, I look for reliability. All products basically do the same thing. If you change jobs, you have the other product you have to work with that right. They all have their up and their down sides, but I think reliability is the differentiator.

How was the initial setup?

Setup is quite complex, but it is a complex product. It's not Word, obviously. It took a couple of weeks to complete the project. But, it was a real small automatic deployment. Basically, what we did in that project was really straightforward, really easy. We barely used the product to it's full extent.

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Rasel AhmedSenior Java Developer with 11-50 employees
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it_user359718 - PeerSpot reviewer
IT Automation Expert at a engineering company with 1,001-5,000 employees
Vendor
It allows us to create our logs in a way so that we can read security issues without really having to do customization.

Valuable Features

It makes it possible to orchestrate a key structure, to generate benefits such as money and time savings, and to increase the quality of our processes.

Improvements to My Organization

Four years ago, we created a new department for automation. Today, the organization has a lot of trust in us and we're placed in each strategic architecture. Everybody knows us, trusts us, and are happy to work with us. We are problem solvers and the innovation robo team.

It allows us to create our logs in a way so that we can read security issues without really having to do customization. Everything that we need comes with a default functionality.

Room for Improvement

The one feature that would be useful for us would be integration of more automation with other solutions. I think this should be possible with newer versions.

HP recognizes the need to integrate each product into one big suite. They are going to offer a new suite for flow orchestration and other processes, but the current way they bundle the products makes it really difficult for the customer to identify which products they need.

Deployment Issues

We've had no issues with deployment.

Stability Issues

HP releases a new version every year, which is currently up to 10.54. We will integrate that version next year, but the current version we have is very stable. We have almost no problems with it.

Scalability Issues

As far as scalability goes, it has a great architecture and we're able to scale as necessary.

Customer Service and Technical Support

We have premium support in Romania and this works fine. We are completely happy with it.

Other Advice

Just do it. Don't think too long about it.

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it_user225192Consulting Manager at a tech services company with 51-200 employees
Consultant

Thanks, what is the currently version are you running?

it_user361473 - PeerSpot reviewer
IT Service & Asset Management at a hospitality company with 1,001-5,000 employees
Vendor
We're able to automate various situations, such as rebooting Service Manager. The customization prompts are a little awkward and not very intuitive.

Valuable Features

Although we've just started using it, the automation feature, of course, is the most valuable feature for us. We also use the server exchange a bit and I use it for many routines, including rebooting systems.

Improvements to My Organization

We haven't really implemented it much into our processes, but it's already a time saver for us. We're able to automate various situations. For example, for three years, I've had to reboot my HP Service Manager system every week manually, taking about 30-40 minutes each time. Now, I can just press a button, wait five minutes, press the button again, and the system is upgraded.

Room for Improvement

It's not a perfect solution, such as with the customization prompts. They're a little awkward and not very intuitive.

Deployment Issues

We've had no issues with deployment.

Stability Issues

I'd say that the stability is good. Again, the customization prompts aren't so intuitive and we made mistakes. However, we were able to fix those ourselves, but they could have been prevented.

Scalability Issues

We haven't scaled, but we have looked at it and it's quite scalable and usable for other parts of our organization. We could easily allow other people to use Orchestration.

We are planning to do it within Knowledge Management, for example, to have automated fixes in it and in Service Manager so that they can just click A or L and then run the Orchestration scenario to fix the problem.

Customer Service and Technical Support

I don't think we've ever had to contact technical support.

Initial Setup

The initial setup was straightforward. We haven't implemented it that much yet because we have a standalone server with the system, so we opened a couple of firewalls. To get the routines correct, though, it's quite complex.

ROI

I've seen ROI almost right away. There's maybe eight or ten hours of setup to get a good scenario and then that's saved up in ten weeks for me at least.

Other Solutions Considered

We're an HP shop and it's management's choice to use HP software.

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it_user365868 - PeerSpot reviewer
CEO and Founder at a tech services company with 51-200 employees
Consultant
It's something that allows you to secure cloud assets from start to finish and to have complete security control over it.

Valuable Features

As an integrator of Operations Orchestration, we find that the most valuable feature is really the support that HP provides. It also simplifies the process of creating IT assets that are essential to our customers' IT operations.

Improvements to My Organization

Our customers are mainly mid- to small-sized companies. Operations Orchestration, I think, is most useful there because they don't have huge IT departments. It's easy to use in creating IT assets that ultimately help business growth.

It's also something that allows you to secure cloud assets from start to finish and to have complete security control over it.

Room for Improvement

In order for our customers to have a deeper integration of Operations Orchestration, it needs to be offered with more cloud options, whether that's public or private or hybrid. I think this would be a great direction for HP to go in.

I'd also like HP to be more proactive in telling us what their roadmap is for this product. It's a market-leading solution so there are a lot of users, but, as with all solutions, greater visibility of what's coming would be a good improvement.

Deployment Issues

We haven't had any problems deploying it.

Stability Issues

It's highly stable.

Scalability Issues

It's scaled for our projects.

Customer Service and Technical Support

Technical seems to be just fine. There's no data that says otherwise.

Implementation Team

It's usually an implementation done by the HP folks.

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