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XtremIO, XtremSW and XtremSF EMC flash SSD portfolio redefined

EMC (@EMCflash) today announced some new, enhanced, renamed and a rebrand flash solid-state device (SSD) storage portfolio around theme of XtremIO. XtremIO was the startup company with a new all flash SSD storage array that EMC announced they were buying in May 2012.

Since that announcement, Project “X” has been used when referring to the product now known as XtremIO (e.g. all flash new storage array).

Synopsis of announcement

- Product rollout and selective availability of the new all flash SSD array XtremIO
- Rename server-side PCIe ssd flash cards from VFCache to XtremSF
- New XtremSF models including enhanced multi-level cell (eMLC) with larger capacities
- Rename VFCache caching software to XtremSW (enables cache mode vs. target mode)

What was previously announced:

-Buying the company XtremeIO
-Productizing the new all flash array as part of Project “X”
-It would formally announce the new product in 2013 (which is now)
- VFCache and later enhancements during 2012.

Overall, I give an Atta boy and Atta girl to the EMC crew for a Product Defined Announcement (PDA) extending their flash portfolio to complement their different customers and prospects various environment needs. Now let us sit back and watch EMC, NetApp and others step up their flash dance moves to see who will out flash the others in the eXtreme flash games, including software defined storage, software defined data centers, software defined flash, and software defined cache.

Some updates:

http://storageioblog.com/emc-announces-xtremio-general-availability-part/

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Ahmed Essa - PeerSpot reviewer
Senior Consultant at Share Technologies
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Good performance but the solution is not keeping up with newer products
Pros and Cons
  • "Dell XtremIO is good for databases and huge workloads."
  • "XtremIO is coming to its end of life."

What is our primary use case?

Dell XtremIO provides great performance. The IOPS is less than one millisecond. Because of this, many telecom companies are working with this solution. They are dependent on XtremIO as their main storage source on their side.

What is most valuable?

Dell XtremIO is good for databases and huge workloads.

What needs improvement?

Dell XtremIO needs to provide better performance to keep up with new products.

For how long have I used the solution?

I have been using Dell XtremIO for six years.

What do I think about the stability of the solution?

This solution is stable.

What do I think about the scalability of the solution?

XtremIO is scalable from one engine to maybe eight engines.

How are customer service and support?

Dell's technical support provides a good response time.

How would you rate customer service and support?

Neutral

How was the initial setup?

The initial setup of Dell XtremIO was good and took less than an hour to complete. 

There are many new products with more features coming, such as Pure Storage. XtremIO is coming to its end of life. We will not be implementing this solution in the future.

What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?

The license for XtremIO is in the box, so you don't have to buy anything.

What other advice do I have?

Dell XtremIO is an old product according to the current surge rate available in the market.

I would rate the solution a seven out of 10.

Which deployment model are you using for this solution?

On-premises
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it_user566907 - PeerSpot reviewer
IT Analyst at a tech services company with 10,001+ employees
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Flash array with deduplication and compression. I would like to see improvements in the database workloads.

What is most valuable?

Flash array with deduplication and compression.

How has it helped my organization?

  • Helps VDI users for business growth
  • Provides good performance
  • Cost effective
  • For the VDI environment, deduplication is effective. The OS deployed will have the same data again.
  • Flash provides good performance

What needs improvement?

I would like to see improvements in the database workloads. During the testing of database workloads, we found it slow to process I/O requests. This may be due to the compression/deduplication feature available in the product which is still being taken care of by the same controllers.

The product designer should provide a recommendation for which type of workload deduplication/compression will be effective.

This is good to have for VDI, but not for high database workloads though its flash array.

For how long have I used the solution?

We have been using this solution for the past two years.

What do I think about the stability of the solution?

There were some stability issues initially, but there aren’t many issues now.

What do I think about the scalability of the solution?

I did not encounter any issues with scalability.

How are customer service and technical support?

Technical support is good.

Which solution did I use previously and why did I switch?

We had multiple tier storage without deduplication/compression. We switched due to cost and performance.

How was the initial setup?

The solution is easy to implement and administer.

What other advice do I have?

This solution is good for VDI environments, but not recommended for database workloads.

Disclosure: My company has a business relationship with this vendor other than being a customer: We are partners.
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XtremIO Gen2 delivers. There's potential for improvement, efficiencies, and even hybrid considerations.

Several months ago I walked through some of the issues we faced when XtremIO hit the floor and found it not to be exactly what the marketing collateral might present. While the product was very much a 1.0 (in spite of its Gen2 name), EMC Support gave a full-court-press response to the issues, and our account team delivered on additional product. Now it’s 100% production and we live/die by its field performance. So how’s it doing?

For an organized rundown, I’ll hit the high points of Justin Warren’s Storage Field Day 5 (SFD5) review and append a few of my own notes.

  • Scale-Out vs. Scale-Up: The Impact of Sharing
  • Compression: Needed & Coming
  • Snapshots & Replication
  • XtremIO > Alternatives? It Depends

Scale-Out vs. Scale-Up: The Impact of Sharing

True to Justin’s review, XtremIO practically scales up. Anything else is disruptive. EMC Support does their best to make up for this situation by readily offering swing hardware, but it’s still an impact. Storage vMotion works for us, but I’m sure spare hardware isn’t the panacea for everyone, especially those with physical servers.

The impact of sharing is key as well. XtremIO sharing everything can mean more than just the good stuff. In April, ours “shared” a panic over the InfiniBand connection when EMC replaced a storage controller to address one bad FC port. I believe they’ve fixed that issue (or widely publicized to their staff how not to swap an SC in a way that leads to panic, until code can protect), but it was production-down for us. Thankfully we were only one foot in, so our key systems kept going on other storage. We’ve seemed to find the InfiniBand exceptions, so I do not think this is a cause for widespread worry. ‘Just stating the facts.

I could elaborate further, but choosing XtremIO means being prepared to swing your data for disruptive activities. If you expect the need to expand, plan for that–rack space, power, connections, etc for the swing hardware, or whatever other method you choose.

Compression: Needed & Coming

This was the deficit that led to us needing four times the XtremIO capacity to meet our Pure POC’s abilities. At the time, we thought Pure achieved a “deduplication” ratio of 4.5 to 1 and were sorely disappointed when XtremIO didn’t. Then we realized it was data “reduction”, which incorporated compression and deduplication. Pure’s dedupe is likely still more efficient since it uses variable block sizes (like EMC Avamar), but variable takes time and post-processing.

When compression comes in the XIOS 3.0 release later this year, I hope to see our data reduction ratio converge with what we saw on Pure. As it stands, we fluctuate around 1.4 to 1 deduplication (which feels like the wrong word–dedupe seems to imply a minimum of 2:1). I choose to ignore the “Overall Efficiency” ratio at the top, as it is a combination of dedupe and thin provisioning savings, the latter of which nearly everyone has. We’ve thin provisioned for nearly 6 years with our outgoing 3PAR, so that wasn’t a selling point; it was an assumption. As a last note on this, Pure Storage asks the pertinent question: “The new release will come with an upgrade to compression for current customers. Can I enable it non-disruptively, or do I have to migrate all my data off and start over?”

Snapshots & Replication

I won’t say much on these items, because we haven’t historically used the first, and other factors have hindered the second. Given that our first EMC CX300 array even had snapshots, the feature arrival in 2.4 was more of an announcement that XtremIO had fully shown up to the starting line of the SAN race (it was competing extremely well in other areas, but was hard to understand the lag here). We may actually use this feature with Veeam’s Backup & Replication product as it offers the ability to do array-level snapshots and transfer them to a backup proxy for offloaded processing.

As for replication, my colleagues and I see it as feature with huge differentiating potential, at least where deduplication ratios are high. VDI or more clone-based deployments with 5:1, 7:1, or even higher ratios could benefit greatly if only unique data blocks were shipped to partnering array(s). For now, VPLEX is that answer (sans the dedupe).

XtremIO > Alternatives? It Depends

As I mentioned in the past, we started this flash journey with a Pure Storage POC. It wasn’t without challenges, or I probably wouldn’t be writing about XtremIO now, but those issues weren’t necessarily as objectively bad or unique to them as I felt at the time. Everyone has caveats and weaknesses. In our case, Pure’s issues with handling large block I/O gave us pause and cause to listen to EMC’s XtremIO claims.

Those claims fleshed out in some ways, but not in others (at least not without more hardware). Both products can make the I/O meters scream with numbers unlikely to be found in daily production, though it’s nice to see the potential. The rubber meets the road when your data is on their box and you see what it does as a result. No assessment tool can tell you that; only field experience can.

If unwavering low-latency metrics are the goal, XtremIO wins the prize. It doesn’t compromise or slow up for anything–the data flies in and out regardless of block size or volume. Is no-compromise ideal? It depends.

Deduplication is the magic sauce that turned us on to Pure, and XtremIO marketing said, “we can do that, too!” Without compromising speed, though, and without post-processing, the result isn’t the same. That’s the point of the compression mentioned earlier.

Then there’s availability arguments. Pure doesn’t have any backup batteries (but stores to NVRAM in flight, so that’s not a deal-breaker), which EMC can point out. EMC uses 23+2 RAID/parity, which Pure is quick to highlight as a weakness. Everyone wants to be able to fail four drives and keep flying, right?

From what I’ve heard, Hitachi will take an entirely different angle

and argue that magic is unnecessary. Just use their 1.6TB and 3.2TB flash drives and swim in the ocean of space. Personally, I think that’s short-sighted, but they’re welcome to that opinion.

Last Thoughts

In production, day to day, notwithstanding our noted glitches, XtremIO delivers. Furthermore, it has the heft of EMC behind it, and the vibe I get is that they don’t seem to be content with second place. Philosophies on sub-components may disagree between vendors, but nothing trips XtremIO’s performance. Is there potential for improvement, efficiencies (esp. data reduction), and even hybrid considerations (why not a little optional post-processing?)? Absolutely. And I’ve met the XtremIO engineers from Israel who aim to do just that. Time will tell.

This article originally appeared here.

Disclosure: I am a real user, and this review is based on my own experience and opinions.
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it_user252708EMC Product and Partner Development Manager with 51-200 employees
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Nice real use case, thank you!

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it_user650010 - PeerSpot reviewer
Senior Systems Engineer at a financial services firm with 10,001+ employees
Real User
The most valuable features are IOPS performance, thin provisioning, and deduplication savings.
Pros and Cons
  • "Very good IOPS performance"
  • "They can improve the product by providing an HTML5-based interface instead of the Java GUI based application."

How has it helped my organization?

We gain, on the average, 6:1 deduplication with compression. This ratio represents a substantial amount of space savings. Our SLA has improved to 99.9%.

What is most valuable?

  • Very good IOPS performance
  • Thin-provisioning and deduplication savings
  • Natively thin-provisioned

What needs improvement?

They can improve the product by providing an HTML5-based interface instead of the Java GUI based application.

We use the dashboard of the Java based Windows application to monitor the storage array’s current IOPS and latency metrics.

However, we also require direct firewall access open to the XMS server as we monitor from a different location. I don’t believe the Java based GUI application is proxy aware.

So, if the XMS application server could be monitored through an HTML browser interface, it should then be proxy aware, making life a little simpler.

What do I think about the stability of the solution?

We have not had stability issues.

What do I think about the scalability of the solution?

We have not had scalability issues.

How are customer service and technical support?

Technical support is very good and always available.

Which solution did I use previously and why did I switch?

We used DAS Solutions. We were not getting the required IOPS and SAN stability, and that was a concern.

How was the initial setup?

The installation was done by a third-party.

Which other solutions did I evaluate?

We evaluated NetApp.

What other advice do I have?

Make sure you understand the basic fundamentals of SAN, IOPS, and data deduplication.

Disclosure: I am a real user, and this review is based on my own experience and opinions.
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Manager of Customer Services with 1,001-5,000 employees
Real User
Enables us to have surveillance of our systems but the reporting and monitoring tools need improvement
Pros and Cons
  • "We mostly use it for backup, because we cannot measure anything, and we are afraid to use it for surveillance systems. We were planning to use it for mostly for surveillance systems."
  • "One thing that should be improved is the reporting and monitoring tools. It should use real time monitoring for storage, IOPS, latency, etc."

What is our primary use case?

We mostly use it for backup because we cannot measure anything and we are afraid to use it for surveillance systems. We were planning to use it mostly for surveillance systems.

What needs improvement?

The most important thing for the system engineer is to check if there is latency in the IOPS for any run. You cannot measure the number of IOPS or whether or not it is overloaded. You cannot measure anything in EMC about this. Most solutions, especially HP, improved our fall-over performance, with our database and servers. Most servers are HP, but we use EMC now only for backup. 

One thing that should be improved is the reporting and monitoring tools. It should use real-time monitoring for storage, IOPS, latency, etc.

For how long have I used the solution?

We've been using it for seven years.

How are customer service and technical support?

The technical support was good, especially for upgrading, which we did four times. It was straightforward and easy.

How was the initial setup?

The initial setup was simple for us.

What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?

The initial purchase price was good but when you need to upgrade, it's a different story.

What other advice do I have?

Overall, including the format, support, and technical performance, I would rate it as seven of ten.

Disclosure: I am a real user, and this review is based on my own experience and opinions.
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Regional Technical Manager CST at a tech services company with 501-1,000 employees
Real User
Deduplication and auto-tiering are good, and it is easy to implement
Pros and Cons
  • "I like the deduplication and auto-tiering features."
  • "The product could be improved by reducing the pricing and having better organization in their technical support team."

What is our primary use case?

The primary use case of this solution is for virtualization.

The deployment model used was on-premises.

What is most valuable?

I like the deduplication and auto-tiering features.

What needs improvement?

The product could be improved by reducing the pricing and having better organization in their technical support team.

What do I think about the stability of the solution?

This solution is stable. I would give it five out of six, not 100% only 90%.

What do I think about the scalability of the solution?

The scalability of this solution is good.

How are customer service and technical support?

The technical support is good but they are not well organized.

How was the initial setup?

The initial setup was straightforward.

What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?

There are costs in addition to the standard licensing fees.

What other advice do I have?

I am a partner for Dell EMC.

My complaints are not about the features of this solution, it's more about the pricing and the support.

I would rate this solution an eight out of ten.

Disclosure: My company has a business relationship with this vendor other than being a customer: Partner.
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it_user568230 - PeerSpot reviewer
Windows Administrator at a financial services firm with 1,001-5,000 employees
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I appreciate its ease of use and compression rates.

What is most valuable?

I appreciate its ease of use and simplicity. The device is painless to configure and has great deduplication and compression rates.

How has it helped my organization?

We have saved costs on storage and our users are getting quick response times for Virtual Desktop Infrastructure (VDI).

What needs improvement?

The only item that I can think of, is the ability to add more XtremeIO bricks as one logical partition rather than two separate ones.

For how long have I used the solution?

Two years.

What do I think about the stability of the solution?

We have not encountered any stability issues.

What do I think about the scalability of the solution?

We have not encountered any scalability issues.

How are customer service and technical support?

Technical support depends on the technician. Usually most technicians are knowledgeable but sometimes you get a few that lack the knowledge.

Which solution did I use previously and why did I switch?

We previously used a VNX series storage array. The array was not as fast as an all-flash array.

How was the initial setup?

Initial setup was straightforward.

What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?

Don’t be scared; it is worth it in the end. EMC and the vendor will work with you.

Which other solutions did I evaluate?

We evaluated Tintri and it was not suitable for us.

What other advice do I have?

Once you use it, you will not regret it.

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