I have been making solutions around the Hyper-V bundles for my clients. For example, hyper-converged infrastructure, such as in vSAN and Vsphere for company data centers.
Infrastructure Expert at a tech services company with 1,001-5,000 employees
Even better than before
Last time I wrote a review on Hyper V for 2008 R2, which is the product I was using at the time. Having had experience with Hyper V "3.0", the version included in 2012, I figured it was time to update my review.
Pro's
Hyper-V definitely has its pros!
- This version of Hyper-V is even more in depth than before, bringing it up to par with and even surpassing vSphere in some ways.
- PowerShell scripting has been greatly expanded upon, allowing for more automation and centralized management.
- Exporting a VM and importing it into a new server, or setting up fail-over clustering is easier than ever!
- The integration with the new server manager and the existing MMC substructure is superb.
Cons:
The cons are the same as the last time.
- Individual licensing costs for each server.
- If you aren't using Hyper-V Core and are running Hyper-V on top of the full Server 2008 R2 platform, then you have less resources to allocate to your Virtual Machines.
- Except through RDP or SCVMM, there is no way to access the VM's on alternative platforms (like Mac or Linux).
All in all, Microsoft Hyper-V is an excellent platform and a great competitor for VMWare, and it keeps improving with each iteration!
Disclosure: I am a real user, and this review is based on my own experience and opinions.
Engineer at a outsourcing company with 51-200 employees
Hyper-V As An Enterprise Solution: Are We There Yet?
For my first post here on Hypervisor Agnostic, I thought it would be appropriate to open up with a debate that I’ve been sucked into as of late due to a project I’ve been involved with at work. Has Hyper-V finally reached the point that it can go toe to toe with VMware as an enterprise hypervisor product? Or is Hyper-V merely an entry level solution for small businesses that lack the budget to invest in VMware? My answer is yes, Hyper-V is an enterprise product, but is it right for your enterprise? The answer to that is a little more complicated.
To appreciate where Hyper-V is today, you have to understand where it began. Microsoft first entered the virtualization market when MS bought the Virtual PC product line from Connectix back in in 2003. Virtual PC was originally a virtualization program for Apple Macintosh computers that ran various x86 versions of Windows (and other x86 OSes) on MacOS. Today, that doesn’t seem like anything special, because modern Macs can dual boot Windows with no problem. But back in those days, Macs and “IBM clones” were based on entirely different processor architectures, and getting Windows to run on a Mac was no small feat. To be fair, getting Windows to run stable on any hardware in the 90s was a minor miracle, but I digress. The point is, Connectix had a pretty decent little virtualization engine for the time, and MS wanted it for their own. From Virtual PC came Virtual Server, which was designed to run on Windows Server platforms, and run other server operating systems. It was designed to compete with VMware Server, another Type 2 hypervisor (a virtualization engine that runs as a program within a conventional operating system). But Type 1 baremetal hypervisors like VMware’s ESX were starting to become affordable, viable solutions, and Type 2 platforms started to become relegated to desktops rather than data centers.
So in order to get in on the baremetal hypervisor party, Microsoft announced that Windows Server 2008 would include Hyper-V – a free, baremetal hypervisor system that offered better performance than Virtual Server. Hyper-V ended up being a separate download from the RTM version of Server 2008, and it was somewhat underwhelming when it was released, being years behind what ESX and Citrix Xen were capable of. There was no way to migrate a VM from one node to another without downtime, VMs in a failover cluster had to be placed on their own LUNs, guest operating system support was very limited, as were the specs of virtual machines. 2008 R2′s release of Hyper-V improved in many of these areas, offering clustered storage, live migration of VMs, and a slightly expanded list of guest operating systems supported.
But it was Hyper-V 2012 that Microsoft really came out swinging, offering specs that (on paper at least) out-scale VMware, improved live migration, along with storage migration (previously only available with System Center Virtual Machine Manager), a completely rebuilt networking stack, and several other features that helped to close the gap between Hyper-V and VMware.
But the gap is still there, and that is the the point of this initial blog post. I’ve spent the better part of this past year working with Hyper-V 2012, and there are some things I absolutely love about it, and some things I loathe. Here’s my run down of what’s good, and what’s bad.
Scalabiltiy
MS advertises that Hyper-V can support 64 nodes in a cluster, as compared to VMware’s 32 nodes. They also claim Hyper-V nodes can support 4TB of RAM, 320 logicial processors, and can support VMs with 1TB of RAM. To me, speccing out a hypervisor like that seems somewhat ridiculous. I’m much more of a fan of “scale out” than “scale up” – I’d rather have 12 nodes in a cluster with 256GB of RAM than 3 nodes with 1TB each. Sure, Hyper-V can support 64 of those nodes with 1TB of RAM. I don’t, however, want to be the guy who has to handle maintenance on that cluster, and wait on all the VMs filling up that 1TB of RAM to migrate from node to node when I want to install Windows updates.
Still, it is great that Hyper-V finally supports VMs with decent specs. I don’t foresee myself ever needing to give a VM one terabyte of memory, but it’s a lot better than 32 or 64GB, and the ability to add more than 4 virtual CPUs is a much needed improvement. Combine that with a new virtual hard disk format that offers much larger sizes, and Hyper-V VMs can be built to a decent scale. That does, however, leave the door open for a lot of overbuilt VMs, but that’s another rant for another day.
Clustering
This is one area where Hyper-V is really positioned to eat VMware’s lunch. If we compare apples to apples, ie free product vs free product, Hyper-V has one significant advantage over VMware’s free ESXi offering: free Hyper-V can be part of a Windows fail over cluster. Free ESXi is standalone only – and has a pretty limited RAM cap to boot.
So if you want a cheap, highly available virutalization solution, Hyper-V is the way to go. The freebie version of Hyper-V (meaning the standalone, downloadable version – not enabling the Hyper-V role in Windows 2012) is not feature limited compared to its Windows Server brethren. To get HA/fail over capability in VMware’s product, you’re going to spend several thousands of dollars.
But the drawback to this is that it’s built around Windows Failover Clustering, which has it’s own set of issues. First of all, let’s not forget Windows cluster’s reliance on Active Directory.
If you virtualize all your domain controllers, and have some kind of network issue that prevents a node from finding a domain controller, hilarity will ensue, and by hilarity, I mean a bunch of VMs dying/failing over. Second, management of many clustered nodes is possible without System Center Virtual Machine Manager, but it is controlled chaos at best. Once Hyper-V nodes are clustered, you should generally do all node & VM management from the Windows Failover Cluster management console if you’re not using SCVMM. However, MS didn’t include a way to manage Hyper-V networks from the Failover Cluster manager, so you still have to do that through the standalone Hyper-V management console, and do it one by one. Yes, you can script it through PowerShell, and from what I can see, PowerShell seems to be the only “one stop shop” for dealing with Hyper-V. Without PowerShell, you’ll find your self bouncing back and forth between Windows control panel, Hyper-V manager, and Failover cluster manager in order to handle most day to day tasks. It’s do-able, but it’s ugly. VMware’s management is much more streamlined and intuitive.
Live Migration vs. vMotion
vMotion is the feature that allowed VMware to take over the virtualization world – the ability to move VMs from node to node with no downtime was huge, and no one else ever figured out how do it quite as well, or as fast. But there are some limitations – you can only do 4 concurrent vMotion operations per host in 5.1 on anything less than 10GB network links. With a 10GB NIC, you can do up to 8 per host. MS took the “let the administrator decide” approach with Hyper-V 2012, and you can now set the concurrent number of live migrations to whatever you want. Off the top of my head, I believe Hyper-V 2008 R2 only allowed on live migration at a time, so this is a huge improvement.
That said, before you think you’re going to team a couple of 1GB NIC ports in your Hyper-V host and crank the max number of migrations up to 10, 15, 20, or beyond, keep in mind that there’s a very good reason VMware sets the limits they do on vMotion. There’s more to the equation than just the network here – host memory, storage I/O, andCPU usage on host are all impacted during migrations. So, take a cautious approach to this, and steadily increase the live migration count on your Hyper-V hosts rather than deciding right off the bat that 12 is a great number to start off with.
That said, if you have a dedicated live migration network with decent bandwidth, and your hosts can handle it, 10 simultaneous live migrations at a time can significantly decrease your cluster maintenance times.
Resource Handling
This is one of those Coke vs Pepsi, Ford vs Chevy, Mac vs PC type debates. VMware zealots absolutely hate the fact that Hyper-V does not allow memory over commitment, and view it as a sign of Hyper-V’s inferiority. Hyper-V fanboys think that handing out resources you don’t have is a bad thing, and that Hyper-V’s dynamic memory is the way to handle fluctuating memory demands. This is one thing I am 100% on the Hyper-V side of the fence on. Look, it’s great that VMware doesn’t have any hard and fast limits on resource assignment. It’s great that DRS can see that a host is getting low on memory, and can move a memory hungry VM to a host with more free memory. But sometimes, the the cluster ends up over committed, a node goes down, and there’s no hosts with resources to satisfy those now homeless VMs. Or, an admin set the cluster to allow VMs to power on even if the resources aren’t there. If the memory isn’t there, and VMware can’t find any VMs that are hoarding memory they’re not actually using, then you end up with VMs swapping their RAM to disk. Outside of a critical productions system being down, a critical production system swapping RAM to disk is pretty much my worst case scenario. It’s ugly.
Hyper-V allows you to assign a startup value for a VM’s RAM, as well as a minimum/maximum value. When a VM reaches a defined threshold, it will request more memory from the host, until it reaches the maximum value. When it’s not using the RAM, it will release it until it reaches the minimum value. Yes, this requires a bit more management overhead. But this is one of those things I’d rather have some degree of control over than just leaving the hypervisor to its own devices.
Guest Operating System Support
This is one area where VMware runs away with. If you’re a primarily Windows shop running current versions of Windows, then Hyper-V’s got you covered. But if you’re running any Unix-like servers other than a very narrowly defined subset of popular Linux distros, Hyper-V can’t do much for you. And, of those supported Linux distros, you’d find some features like dynamic memory, are Windows exclusive.
And if you want to run archaic versions of Windows, you’re out of luck on Hyper-V as well – you’re limited to what MS currently provides support for, which is generally 2 versions behind whatever the latest version is. But if you feel the need to run Windows 3.1, Windows 98, or Windows 2000, the VMware’s got your hookup.
I know, surprise surprise – the Windows based hypervisor is geared toward Windows guest OSes. But if Microsoft really wants Hyper-V to make a dent in the enterprise, they need to come to grips with the fact that some companies run other operating systems that are not Red Hat, CentOS, SuSe or Ubuntu.
Wrapping It All Up
So as of September 2012, with the release of Windows 2012 R2 next month, Hyper-V has supplanted Citrix Xen as the clear number 2 hypervisor platform. in my mind. It can do at least 90% of what VMware can do, at a fraction of the cost. But is that last 10% worth the price?
For small businesses, and smaller enterprise customers that are running primarily Windows in their server rooms and data centers, Hyper-V is priced to move, even if you tack on the cost of SCVMM to manage it – pretty much a must for larger clusters. At the high end of the scale in heterogeneous environments, VMware is still the king of high availability and load balancing, and management is much more streamlined. Even with SCVMM (which brings an entirely new set of headaches, but again, more on that at another time) the thought of trying to manage a 64 node Hyper-V cluster makes my head spin.
So yes, Hyper-V is there. But VMware’s not going anywhere any time soon.
Disclosure: The company I work for is partners with several vendors - http://www.latisys.com/partners/strategic_partnerships.html
Disclosure: I am a real user, and this review is based on my own experience and opinions.
Pleae review the link listed below, this would be a good frame of reference - www.virtualizationmatrix.com
But to answer your question, what is the intended purpose of the server or its use, that will help to determine how much memory you will need? Is it a clustered server or is it a standalone server for virtualization purposes? What applications do you have running on the various server(s)?
Todd
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Solutions Specialist at a computer software company with 10,001+ employees
Powerful, easy to use, but more integration needed
Pros and Cons
- "The solution is very powerful, easy to use, user-friendly, and integrates well with Windows. If you are looking for a hundred percent Microsoft environment it would be a good idea to go with Hyper-V. They work wonderfully together."
- "In an upcoming release, they can improve by having better cloud integration. We are all moving towards the clouds and the integration is only through the Azure Stack, there should be tools built in to move the VMs natively to the cloud and infrastructure. Additionally, they could provide some form of multi-cloud integration."
What is our primary use case?
What is most valuable?
The solution is very powerful, easy to use, user-friendly, and integrates well with Windows. If you are looking for a hundred percent Microsoft environment it would be a good idea to go with Hyper-V. They work wonderfully together.
There are a lot more features and is easier to use compared to previous releases. They were using PowerCLI for the management but now it is all GUI-based which has made it a lot easier to use.
What needs improvement?
Hyper-V is not a type one hypervisor, such as vSphere. When it comes to Hyper-V, it is a role in Windows Server. Hyper-V could have been much leaner and much more powerful, but it becomes only the Hyper-V part of it. There should be some distribution or limit to Hyper-V, such as in vSphere.
The missing factor or parameter, in Hyper-V and all of the functionality, is a role it plays inside the Windows operating system. You have to enable those roles. That is something not appreciated in a data center because Windows is a general-purpose operating system, not for the sole purpose of doing these types of operations. They could skim down the version of the operating system and have it customized for virtualization, not as a general-purpose operating system.
In an upcoming release, they can improve by having better cloud integration. We are all moving towards the clouds and the integration is only through the Azure Stack, there should be tools built in to move the VMs natively to the cloud and infrastructure. Additionally, they could provide some form of multi-cloud integration.
For how long have I used the solution?
I have been involved with Hyper-V for approximately two years.
What do I think about the stability of the solution?
The solution is stable in my experience.
How are customer service and technical support?
The technical support is good because there are a lot of administrators out there in the market who are well-versed in Microsoft technologies.
How was the initial setup?
The installation is straightforward. The installation time can vary depending on if you have preloaded configurations. If you were to do it from scratch then it would take approximately 20 minutes.
What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?
Hyper-V is cost-effective and is a one-time purchase. Microsoft has multiple licensing options available, such as a subscription model and an outside purchase model that customers can choose as per their requirements.
Which other solutions did I evaluate?
I have evaluated VMware vSphere.
What other advice do I have?
Hyper-V is very popular in the market for data centers and most of my clients are using Microsoft in some form or another but it might not be their core ERP.
I would recommend this solution to others.
I rate Hyper-V a seven out of ten.
Which deployment model are you using for this solution?
Hybrid Cloud
Disclosure: My company has a business relationship with this vendor other than being a customer: Partner
Systems Engineer at a educational organization with 11-50 employees
A good end-to-end solution that is easy to set up, but it's not completely stable
Pros and Cons
- "The most valuable feature is that it's an end-to-end solution."
- "It's not completely stable because your stack becomes bloated."
What is our primary use case?
Hyper-V acts as the hypervisor for our virtualization platform. We are using it on a three-tier infrastructure and it manages our VMs that store our files and applications.
What is most valuable?
The most valuable feature is that it's an end-to-end solution.
What needs improvement?
It's not completely stable because your stack becomes bloated.
For how long have I used the solution?
We have been using Hyper-V since 2008.
What do I think about the stability of the solution?
Stability-wise, it is okay but not great. I'd say that it works but it's not perfect.
What do I think about the scalability of the solution?
Hyper-V is limited when it comes to scalability. If you have a data center license then you can scale up or down, or use the main virtual machines on the server. However, if you have a normal, or standard license, you can only run two virtual machine instances.
We have approximately 1,000 users.
How are customer service and technical support?
I have not had much experience with technical support.
Which solution did I use previously and why did I switch?
We previously used vSphere but we switched because VMware costs a lot and we have a small environment.
How was the initial setup?
The installation and initial setup are very easy. It takes about five minutes to deploy.
What about the implementation team?
We implemented it ourselves. We have three people in our team for deployment and maintenance.
What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?
Our licensing fees are paid for as a package with the Microsoft Enterprise Agreement. We have to pay for our data center licenses.
This is a fairly expensive product because it balances the needs of security.
What other advice do I have?
In summary, this product is not perfect but it works. At this point, we have not yet decided how long we will continue using it. This is something that we'll decide, moving forward.
I would rate this solution a seven out of ten.
Which deployment model are you using for this solution?
On-premises
Disclosure: I am a real user, and this review is based on my own experience and opinions.
Founder at a tech company with 11-50 employees
Easy to use and does the job that we need, although the management interface needs to be improved
Pros and Cons
- "The most valuable features are ease of use, and it gets the job done in a straightforward manner."
- "The management interface is in need of the biggest improvement."
What is our primary use case?
We are using Hyper-V to host a few Linux virtual machines.
What is most valuable?
The most valuable features are ease of use, and it gets the job done in a straightforward manner.
What needs improvement?
The management interface is in need of the biggest improvement. There are a few gaps in there when I compare with VMware.
Some additional monitoring features would be helpful.
For how long have I used the solution?
We have been using Hyper-V for the past four or five years.
What do I think about the scalability of the solution?
We have a few support applications that run on top of this solution, so we just have a handful of people who use it. I would say that there are five or six users.
At this point, we do not have plans to increase usage.
How are customer service and technical support?
I have not personally been in contact with technical support.
How was the initial setup?
The installation was straightforward and I don't think that we had any major issues there. I think that it took approximately one day to deploy.
What about the implementation team?
The implementation was done by our in-house IT people. We have one system administrator that takes care of maintenance.
What other advice do I have?
For what we use this product for, it is pretty basic and it is good enough for our purposes.
Our main complaint is about the administration interface.
I would rate this solution a seven out of ten.
Which deployment model are you using for this solution?
On-premises
Disclosure: I am a real user, and this review is based on my own experience and opinions.
Network Administrator II at a maritime company with 1,001-5,000 employees
Helps us build servers
Pros and Cons
- "It helps us build servers."
- "It needs to improve compatibility with third party software."
What is our primary use case?
I build servers using this solution.
What needs improvement?
It needs to improve compatibility with third party software.
For how long have I used the solution?
One to three years.
Which solution did I use previously and why did I switch?
We previously used VMware.
How was the initial setup?
I was not involved in the setup of the product.
What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?
I do not have experience with pricing or licensing of the product.
Disclosure: I am a real user, and this review is based on my own experience and opinions.
IT Administrator at a tech services company with 51-200 employees
The main improvement to our organization is its scalability and the ability to support our system by running our applications simultaneously.
Valuable Features
It's scalable and stable. Working on Hyper-V is a wonderful experience. It supports our systems in parallel, providing us results that meet our needs. Moreover, providing more and more new features everyday such as Live Migration, CSV and so on.
Also, assigning physical NICs to each VM is wonderful with Hyper-V, as it distributes load and performs well. Otherwise, all VMs bottleneck to a virtual switch which is bound to just one physical NIC.
Improvements to My Organization
The main improvement to our organization is its scalability and the ability to support our system by running our applications simultaneously. It ultimately helps us with customer satisfactions and productivity, Failover clustering is another amazing benefit to my organization as we have dramatically reduced the downtime.
Room for Improvement
The networking component of the setup needs to be less complex.I have one physical server with four built in LAN ports (NIC1, NIC2, NIC3 & NIC4) and I want three more VMs on it. In order to distribute the traffic load, I want to assign one NIC to each VM with one for the physical server. This means whenever L needs remote access for management purpose it will utilize NIC4, but this needs to be simpler to setup.
Use of Solution
I've used it for more than two years.
Deployment Issues
We have four physical cards in a Poweredge R710 server with three VMs on it. We have assigned one NIC to each VM, with one for management purposes and remote access.
Stability Issues
Initially we were using only one NIC for all VMs, physical servers, and for remote purposes as well. After assigning one NIC to each machine, the performance improved and is now excellent and reliable.
Scalability Issues
We've scaled sufficiently.
Customer Service and Technical Support
Customer Service:
8/10
Technical Support:8/10
Initial Setup
The initial setup and configuration is not too complex, but completing the networking part is a bit complex.
Implementation Team
All implementation was done in-house.
Other Advice
You should evaluate this product as it’s very easy to manage.
Disclosure: I am a real user, and this review is based on my own experience and opinions.
Technology Consultant, ASEAN at a tech services company with 501-1,000 employees
Hyper-V 2012 R2 vs. VMware vSphere 5.5
I was won with Hyper-V 2012R2 recently and the table below based on customer RFP (edited). This articles all about technical, there is not related with TCO/ROI, licensing cost, “political”, etc. Another to noted is the Windows Server 2012 licenses is based on 2 socket CPU, meanwhile VMware vSphere is based on 1 socket CPU. With Windows 2012R2 Datacenter, you will eligible to have unlimited Guest OS licenses.
Also System Center 2012R2 licenses based on 2 socket CPU.
Enjoy it, and let me know if I missed something or need some updated.
Requirements | Hyper-V 2012R2 | VMware vSphere 5.5 |
Host Server Hardware Requirements • 32 Logical CPUs minimum • 128GB RAM or more |
Support: • 320 Logical Processor • 4TB RAM |
Support: • 320 Logical Processor • 4TB RAM |
VM Guest Hardware Specification • Up to 16vCPUs • Up to 64GB RAM • At least support for 2 vNICs • Virtual CPU per Host • Virtual Hard disk support for up to 10TB |
Support: • 64vCPUs • 1TB RAM • 12 vNIC supported • 2048 vCPU per Host • 64TB Virtual Disk |
Support: • 64vCPUs • 1TB RAM • 10 vNIC supported • 512 vCPU per Host • 62TB Virtual Disk |
Host clustering Support: • Support for at least 8 nodes • Support for at least 90 running VMs or more • VM Replication technology to enable DR scenarios |
Support: • 64 nodes per Cluster • 8,000 VMs per Cluster • Hyper-V Replica |
Support: • 32 nodes per Cluster • 4,000 VMs per Cluster • vSphere Replication |
• VM Failover priority and startup priority | • YES | • YES |
• Concurrent based migration without downtime of VMs | Live Migration with unlimited VMs | vMotion, 4VM (1GbE) and 10VM (10GbE) per Host |
• Storage migration without downtime of VMs | Live Storage Migration | Storage vMotion |
• No shared storage based migration without downtime of VMs | Shared Nothing Live Migration | vMotion |
• High Availability of VMs | Windows Server Failover Cluster | VMware HA |
• Dynamic Workload balancing across host cluster | • Hyper-V High Availability | • VMware DRS |
• Live merge of VM snapshots | • Intelligent Placement with System Center VMM | • Center Snapshot Manager |
• Supported with Hyper-V Backup | • Supported with vSphere Data Protection | |
Support for VM workload migration without downtime, VM workload storage migration without downtime and host clustering features | Intelligent Placement (VMM) for VM workload without downtime. And Storage Tiering by Windows Server 2012R2 for Storage Workload. | DRS and Storage DRS |
Support for VM Templates and automated VM creation of Windows Server OS workloads | YES | YES |
Support for managing multi Hypervisors – preferably VMware and Hyper-V | System Center 2012R2 support for managing multi hypervisor (Hyper-V, VMware and XenServer) | vCenter vCAC |
Granular administration model | Supported with Windows Server 2012R2 Active Directory | Supported with Windows Server 2012R2 Active Directory |
Monitoring and alerting of virtual infrastructure coving all components from the hardware level to the Hypervisor to the running VMs, VM OS health and Applications monitoring | Supported with System Center 2012R2 | vCenter Operations Manager |
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Cool Marcos,
Would you be kind enough to add those missing features :>)
Thanks
Henry