- Ease of deployment capability
- Role-based automatic monitoring threshold deployment via MP
Solution Architect at a tech services company with 51-200 employees
Citrix management pack for SCOM
Yesterday a survey passed my attention regarding monitoring, Citrix requested input from partners and others regarding monitoring. I'm not that keen on filling in survey's for I have that feeling that the questions asked are not for me as a partner to answer. Question like "in what time frame will you implement a solution" are customer question and not one you ask a partner.
Anyway, I think monitoring in general is the most under valued topic in IT so I decided to fill this one in. This time not about how to write on-premises but about a solution to be developed.
Extend Edgesight functionality
"What if Citrix were to provide an efficient way to monitor and troubleshoot your entire Citrix environment, surrounding infrastructure, and end user experience, using your existing Microsoft System Center Operations Manager (SCOM)?"
We had a lengthy discussion about the surrounding infrastructure and monitoring that Citrix would offer on twitter with Lisa, good way to get your thoughts together.
Let me first say that I would be delighted if Citrix would extend the Edgesight functionality in their product so that it really monitors all of the Citrix components. It would be so helpful for many of our customers.
The little green dots we get now are nice but customers would like a bit more dashboard style, nice graphics, lines and dots that move. Dashboards that show bandwidth per user in near-time or latency between sites in near-time. Sure some of this is there already in some form or some expensive license but look at Solarwinds or eG Innovations and see the dashboards there, that's what gives customers a warm feeling.
The little green dots we get now are nice but customers would like a bit more dashboard style, nice graphics, lines and dots that move. Dashboards that show bandwidth per user in near-time or latency between sites in near-time. Sure some of this is there already in some form or some expensive license but look at Solarwinds or eG Innovations and see the dashboards there, that's what gives customers a warm feeling.
Surroundings, how far will you go?
Let's get back to the statement, so Citrix can't and shouldn't build anything that would monitor the surroundings. As I said to Lisa last night where would you stop, you chain is not my chain. So once you released your monitoring solution with surroundings you think are useful to monitor I have a customer that has just one more and that one is critical to him or her.
I think the surroundings or dependencies as I call them are as valuable in your chain as the Citrix components itself. The reason in my opinion many monitoring solutions fail is that they can't monitor the surroundings well enough. Citrix is no end-to-end monitoring solution like eG Innovations is offering and should not enter that game. Citrix should enable monitoring their own products for customer with less budget and enable other solutions to monitor Citrix components in an end-to-end solution. There are good solutions out there no need to invent the wheel again.
Like Louis van Gaal would say: "Shoemaker stick to you leest", or in better English "Let the cobbler stick to his last" meaning do what you do best, monitor your own and let the rest be handled by others.
Microsoft SCOM
The second part of that statement came as a shock to me, are they really forcing people to use SCOM to setup monitoring a Citrix environment? Second thought is, what would Comtrade think of this.
Microsoft SCOM is a old fashion beast of a monitoring solution that offers basic monitoring out of the box and for a dime because it comes with licenses they forced on us anyway. If you just need to monitor some Microsoft servers or functionality SCOM is fine and will do, whenever you need more SCOM will be your cash cow and a big one also.
To build a decent dashboard or live map you will need to invest in a management pack from Savision for instance. This will cost you a lot and just for a functionality that should be in a monitoring product already. All other non-Microsoft related monitoring will need more management packs and more investment. Everyone out there has a chain they want to monitor that includes non-Microsoft components and everyone needs a decent dashboard. I think SCOM will work for some but not for all.
Microsoft SCOM will work for companies that invested in SCOM management packs already but then again they might have Comtrade running to monitor Citrix.
Microsoft SCOM is a old fashion beast of a monitoring solution that offers basic monitoring out of the box and for a dime because it comes with licenses they forced on us anyway. If you just need to monitor some Microsoft servers or functionality SCOM is fine and will do, whenever you need more SCOM will be your cash cow and a big one also.
To build a decent dashboard or live map you will need to invest in a management pack from Savision for instance. This will cost you a lot and just for a functionality that should be in a monitoring product already. All other non-Microsoft related monitoring will need more management packs and more investment. Everyone out there has a chain they want to monitor that includes non-Microsoft components and everyone needs a decent dashboard. I think SCOM will work for some but not for all.
Microsoft SCOM will work for companies that invested in SCOM management packs already but then again they might have Comtrade running to monitor Citrix.
There is one more compelling reason why SCOM is not the way forward, it's hideous and overly complex. I've checked out many products for monitoring as you all might remember and all of them except SCOM where installed and configured in minutes/hours. With SCOM after hours you are still wondering where you're looking at and how to work with it.
We see SCOM a lot with local governments but that's only because they get it for almost free, SCOM that is, not the management packs. It's just like Hyper-V versus the rest, it's free as long as you don't want a complete solution. for me SCOM is use-able for some companies but not for all, it's too complext and too costly when growing to a complete solution. Smaller companies need a solution as well.
We see SCOM a lot with local governments but that's only because they get it for almost free, SCOM that is, not the management packs. It's just like Hyper-V versus the rest, it's free as long as you don't want a complete solution. for me SCOM is use-able for some companies but not for all, it's too complext and too costly when growing to a complete solution. Smaller companies need a solution as well.
My take on Citrix monitoring
Citrix had a cool but freaky monitoring solution called Edgesight, we all hated and loved it. With the new releases Edgesight has evolved and despite my first thoughts it's pretty neat but still lacking a number of features.
It seems, referring to the survey, that Citrix is keen on getting monitoring on the road and I praise that thought, monitoring is to often forgotten. In the old days with Edgesight we had that dashboard with all the dots on it showing a service you monitored to be up or down (green, yellow, red) I'm not in favor to get that one back but a dashboard that show relevant information now available in different consoles or sections would really kick ass. Information that should be available would be;
- License percentage used,
- Database performance and latency,
- Number of logons per minute,
- Storefront performance (anything that will show if performance is degrading)
- Delivery controller performance (anything that will show if performance is degrading)
- Latency between sites
These are just some thoughts but a dashboard showing this would be so cool... I'dd blog about it :)
....and of course if you make a management pack for SCOM once again that would be cool too for customers using SCOM but don't just do that and force customers to have to use SCOM.
Hope I'm not too hard on my judgement about SCOM, sorry you SCOM fans out there, but this is my thought of it. Glad to have a discussion about it some day as I had yesterday with my co-workers Frans Oudendorp and Henk Hoogendoorn about this very topic. We as PQR sell SCOM to customers as well as eG Innovations. We just look at what is best for the customer and start from there.
Disclosure: I am a real user, and this review is based on my own experience and opinions.

Manager: Monitoring, Performance, and Availability at a hospitality company with 1,001-5,000 employees
It allows you to go from firefighting mode to a more proactive stance. SCOM agents have a heavy footprint.
Valuable Features
Improvements to My Organization
We used SCOM as our centralized pane of glass. We had other tools that were also directed to SCOM. Our NOC analysts were able to quickly see alerts and resolve. SCOM was able to monitor our Windows environment very well.
SCOM will allow you to go from firefighting mode to a more proactive stance when finding issues.
Room for Improvement
SCOM agents have a heavy footprint. Would like a lighter, more-efficient footprint. It takes a developer’s mindset to fully utilize SCOM’s potential. I would like easier deployment of MP and custom monitors.
Use of Solution
I have used this solution for five years.
Deployment Issues
We had no issue during deployment and SCOM was pretty stable. We did run into a database limitation that brought us down every day for a week until Microsoft isolated the issue. Once they sent us a hot fix, we were up and running with no issues.
Customer Service and Technical Support
I rate technical support 7/10.
Initial Setup
Setup was straightforward, not hard at all.
Implementation Team
We installed SCOM with an in-house team. If you have a good relationship with Microsoft, they will have chalk talk conversations with you and tell what their best practice would be. After we had these talks, we installed and deployed ourselves.
Other Solutions Considered
We also evaluated HP OpenView, Zenoss, SolarWinds, and CA UIM.
Other Advice
SCOM works well for Windows, but if you need a broader solution and have a heterogeneous environment, SCOM is lacking.
Disclosure: I am a real user, and this review is based on my own experience and opinions.
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QA Engineer at a consumer goods company with 1,001-5,000 employees
The agent is solid and reliable. It does not require post-deployment maintenance/restarts.
What is most valuable?
The agent for both products is solid and reliable and does not require post-deployment maintenance/restarts, as required by other products I have used.
Also, the way objects are discovered by class allows for quick overrides without much rework.
How has it helped my organization?
Managing a fleet of 9000-plus servers across multiple time zones and administrative domains, the ability to alter a threshold across the entire fleet within seconds has improved how my organization functions.
It has reduced the amount of time we spend in an operational support role, allowing us to focus on designing and building custom monitoring.
What needs improvement?
It would be nice to see the old MP Designer come back as you could quickly design and build a MP without a deep understanding of the XML code behind it.
Having to use Visual Studio requires a much deeper understanding of MP coding and limits the audience base capable of building custom monitoring Management Packs.
For how long have I used the solution?
We have been using 2012 R2 for two years, and 2007 R2 for five years.
What was my experience with deployment of the solution?
I have not encountered any deployment, stability or scalability issues. None, whatsoever.
Which solution did I use previously and why did I switch?
I previously used NetIQ AppManager. Another great product, taking a different approach to monitoring. But if you have Microsoft System Centre licenses at your disposal, why pay for another product on top of that.
How was the initial setup?
Initial setup was pretty straightforward.
What about the implementation team?
We implemented it in-house. Follow the rules and it will work.
What was our ROI?
We were already paying for System Centre licensing, so rolling out SCOM only cost us in time and materials, and not in licensing.
What other advice do I have?
Having been in IT for over 20 years, with Microsoft, you know what you are getting. I have not logged a single support case for this product, whereas with other, similar products, I would log cases every month. It’s extremely well-tested and you know what you are getting: quality.
Disclosure: I am a real user, and this review is based on my own experience and opinions.
Senior Technical Consultant at The Instillery
It integrates with your Windows environment seamlessly and provides a lot of visibility on your Windows environment.
Valuable Features
It integrates with your Windows environment seamlessly and provides a lot of visibility on your Windows environment. If you use SCCM as well, it integrates beautifully with it.
Room for Improvement
The interface doesn't provide any graphical view of your topology, you only see a bunch of alerts, monitors, etc. Humans are visual creatures and if you can see at a glance what's going on in your infrastructure, that's added value to me.
You can create dashboards to create views of your infrastructure but I feel that this should come out of the box.
It generates a lot of false positives, probably due to misconfiguration or because it doesn't have an intuitive algorithm to pinpoint the root of the problem
You need to add a lot of management packs in order to manage different devices, instead of SCOM containing these already out of the box, I'm talking about vendors such as Citrix and VMware. Even Exchange and SQL Server monitors are not configured out of the box, it requires configuration. This should come straight away configured for you, especially as SQL Server and Exchange are Microsoft products!
Deployment Issues
We've had no issues with deployment.
Stability Issues
It's been stable for us.
Scalability Issues
It lacks capabilities to properly monitor other devices or infrastructure that is not Microsoft based, stuff like Linux, UNIX, Cisco routers, switches. I mean, since it is not the core of the product, the monitoring capabilities on these devices is very basic if I compare it with CA Spectrum which it used to be a network product that evolved into something else to cover other critical and important areas like Application and Systems performance and Servers/Systems in general.
Customer Service and Technical Support
In New Zealand, it's 4/5.
Initial Setup
Configuration of alerts and monitors is very convoluted. You need to configure four or five different places to make a monitor work.
Pricing, Setup Cost and Licensing
The price is OK, and I think the licensing works the same as any other Microsoft product.
Other Advice
I find this product very clunky and not very intuitive to use, it took me a while to find my way around and understand where I needed to go to configure or even get a report is a bit complicated.
Disclosure: I am a real user, and this review is based on my own experience and opinions.
IT Consultant with 501-1,000 employees
Distributed applications, application performance monitoring, dashboard view, network monitoring, auditing services are the most valuable features.
What is most valuable?
Distributed applications, application performance monitoring, dashboard view, network monitoring, auditing services are the most valuable features.
How has it helped my organization?
Proactively monitoring the infrastructure servers and applications and reporting issues. Dashboards are very valuable to enable day-to-day monitoring.
What needs improvement?
Customizing management packs, fine tuning of alerts, monitors and creating new tasks reflected on the required group of servers.
For how long have I used the solution?
9 years
What was my experience with deployment of the solution?
Yes, installing some prerequisites sometime produced issues, installing SQL on a remote server as well might produce some challenges in installing SCOM
What do I think about the stability of the solution?
Yes, the console was not stable at the early versions of 2007 product, opening multiple consoles might cause a crash. web console might hang when opening multiple sessions as well.
What do I think about the scalability of the solution?
Usually no, you can easily scale SCOM by adding a new server to the exiting pool of servers, it was much of a challenge in the old versions of SCOM
How are customer service and technical support?
Customer Service:
The level of customer service provided is very good, you will be supported for installation issue, configuration and usage.
Technical Support:The level of technical support provided is very good, technical support team will always provide the needed support.
Which solution did I use previously and why did I switch?
No, it was always SCOM the primary monitoring solution used since it always fit the requirements.
How was the initial setup?
It was straightforward, with the guide documentation it is easy to deploy and configure SCOM servers and components.
What about the implementation team?
We are a service provider company and we implemented SCOM over 100 times at different customer premises, using all different versions of SCOM.
What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?
The license is very cheap compared to other products, and with SCOM license you get a license for all system center products.
Which other solutions did I evaluate?
SCOM was the primary Monitoring solution chosen. it is always fulfilling our customers requirements.
What other advice do I have?
SCOM is a Microsoft solution designed primary to Monitor Microsoft servers and applications, capable of Monitoring Non-Microsoft OS and applications as well.
Disclosure: My company has a business relationship with this vendor other than being a customer:
Technical IT Manager at a engineering company with 1,001-5,000 employees
Performance data on Windows VMs is a valuable feature but perfomance management needs to be improved.
What is most valuable?
- Performance data on Windows VMs
- Ability to have a lot of out of the box management packs with key monitors in place
- Ease of use
How has it helped my organization?
Ability to know when servers are offline through agent heartbeats.
What needs improvement?
Dashboarding and application performance management.
For how long have I used the solution?
Three years.
What was my experience with deployment of the solution?
No we did not.
What do I think about the stability of the solution?
Yes we did have some, but with Microsoft's assistance (RAS) we were able to gain more insight and improve.
What do I think about the scalability of the solution?
No we did not.
How are customer service and technical support?
Customer Service:
8/10.
Technical Support:8/10.
Which solution did I use previously and why did I switch?
Used Foglight but it was extremely difficult to learn and pick up as a monitoring solution.
What about the implementation team?
It was all done in-house.
What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?
Included as part of MS ELA.
Which other solutions did I evaluate?
Yes - Quest Foglight and Nimsoft
What other advice do I have?
If you are a large Microsoft shop then this product excels in monitoring Microsoft services.
Disclosure: I am a real user, and this review is based on my own experience and opinions.
Head of ICT at JAROLA
Enables us to monitor the system to check that it's healthy and running well
Pros and Cons
- "The solution is scalable. If you want to monitor more you have to buy more licenses, but you can add on. We don't plan to increase usage."
- "Of course, price is always an issue with Microsoft and could be improved."
What is our primary use case?
Our primary use case is to monitor if the system is healthy and running well.
What is most valuable?
The features we find most useful would be the automatic thresholds when disks are running full. If CPUs are causing high CPU load then we will be notified with triggers.
What needs improvement?
Price is always an issue with Microsoft and could be improved.
For how long have I used the solution?
I've been using the solution for two years.
What do I think about the stability of the solution?
The solution is stable. It's working fine.
What do I think about the scalability of the solution?
The solution is scalable. If you want to monitor more you have to buy more licenses, but you can add on. We don't plan to increase usage.
How are customer service and technical support?
I haven't called technical support yet.
Which solution did I use previously and why did I switch?
We had nothing essential in an enterprise managing console. This is relatively simple tooling, but we didn't have another solution on this scale.
How was the initial setup?
The initial setup was straightforward. Deployment wasn't that long. Maybe a couple of days. We needed half a day for the installation and then three to four days for implementing and configuring all the monitoring agents. Deployment is not a big job, so you just need one person and then after that, you just need someone for an hour a day on the system.
What about the implementation team?
Initial setup was done with a bit of additional support and then we added more and more services.
What other advice do I have?
It's a Microsoft product so if you are using a lot of other vendors, other operating systems, then it's less compatible. For us, we're 99% Microsoft so it's not an issue. On this solution, the things we monitor are fine and perhaps other users will want more, but for our purpose and what we use it for, it's enough.
Once it's completed, you only get triggered by emails and you can respond to those emails so when the system does its thing it's not that complex. It's very simple.
I would rate this solution eight out of 10.
Disclosure: I am a real user, and this review is based on my own experience and opinions.
Senior Technical Consultant at a tech consulting company with 51-200 employees
Deep integration with Windows provides in-depth monitoring and the management packs model ensures that products in the environment are supported or will be supported.
What is most valuable?
Deep integration with Windows provides in-depth monitoring and the management packs model ensures that products in the environment are supported or will be supported.
How has it helped my organization?
Proactive monitoring has helped us prepare and mitigate potential issues before they even happen. This comes in the monitoring of general server health and custom alerts for event log entries that are known indicators of potential issues.
What needs improvement?
GUI performance is the one aspect where I can see that improvement on it will make customers happy.
3rd Party Plugins for SCOM are also great, but some of them are quite expensive to implement due to the depth of function they provide. Maybe Microsoft should integrate the basic functionalities of some of them.
For how long have I used the solution?
I've used it for two years.
What was my experience with deployment of the solution?
The deployment of SCOM is pretty straightforward. You just need to make sure that the pre-requisites have been installed correctly and then SCOM itself should be a breeze to install.
What do I think about the stability of the solution?
Stability is subjective and based from experience. It is directly affected by the server hardware where SCOM is installed.
What do I think about the scalability of the solution?
No. SCOM is scalable as you can add Management Servers as needed. You can also add more resources to the host server and it will not cause issues in SCOM.
How are customer service and technical support?
Customer Service:
For enterprise customers, Microsoft is one of the best providers of customer service. The system in place for the customer service ensures that customers will get the value they have paid for.
Technical Support:As with the Customer Service, the technical support of Microsoft is very good since they are the ones who develop the product itself. It follows a process where you will be first served by level 1 support but they will escalate to the product team as need to ensure the issue is resolved.
Which solution did I use previously and why did I switch?
Free tools found online are good but require a lot of knowledge in scripting. The SCOM Management Packs takes in the lead in this space.
How was the initial setup?
It was straightforward. You just follow the setup guide provided but just need to make sure the pre-requisites are installed properly.
What about the implementation team?
I have experienced both as part of in-house team and also as part of the vendor team. The vendor was experienced in the deployment and management of SCOM and have been since the early versions of it.
What was our ROI?
We did not calculate the ROI as our SLA is internal only. However, the fact that we can proactively monitor issues that may cause downtime is a statement of the benefit of SCOM.
What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?
Please contact your Microsoft Account Manager regarding this. It is different for each customer and for each country. The System Center licensing has different criteria and you should get the most applicable for your environment.
Which other solutions did I evaluate?
We have evaluated some of the "free" monitoring solutions. Some are easy to use while others are a bit complicated. We implemented SCOM because not only it was included in our System Center License, its usage was also straightforward.
What other advice do I have?
SCOM can monitor a whole lot of products, not just generic server components. Make sure that you contact the product vendor and ask if they have Management Packs for SCOM.
Disclosure: My company has a business relationship with this vendor other than being a customer: I have both been a user and a Systems Integrator for the System Center products.

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