We are using the on-prem version of this solution. We use the software for both the Microsoft application backup and Oracle backup.
We are planning to switch to Veeam in the next six months.
We are using the on-prem version of this solution. We use the software for both the Microsoft application backup and Oracle backup.
We are planning to switch to Veeam in the next six months.
The feature that was most valuable was that we could restore one mailbox and we could do different backups for different databases.
I'm sure Data Protector has improved because we have an old version and I think the new versions have many new features but I'm not familiar with them. The version we are using now does not work with virtual machines and it lacks many features. I'm sure the new version is better. It has many functions that can compete with Veeam, but the problem is that its price is more expensive. It's very expensive compared to Veeam and other similar solutions.
We changed Microsoft to a virtual environment, so in a virtual environment, we could not do a backup with the version we're using. It doesn't work with a virtual machine. In addition, we could not restore the machine. This is the main problem with it.
We are switching to Veeam because Data Protector is lacking good virtualization features and because the cost is very high.
The solution is very stable but we had some problems with our VTL although, this is a hardware problem.
The scalability is good.
We have three users using this application: Infrastructure section head, one senior infrastructure administrator, and one infrastructure administrator.
We require two staff members for the maintenance of this solution. We use this solution daily.
Their technical support is good. When we wanted to change our partner and to have the support from another partner, we didn't find any partner in Egypt that could help us. We didn't know that HP is not responsible for this solution. When we bought it, it was HP Data Protector and now it's Focus. It was very hard to know this. We sent a request to Focus, but they didn't respond to our request.
Before this solution, we were using a Linux platform and we were using an open-source program, I don't remember the name. We switched from Linux to Microsoft.
The initial setup was complex. It was not easy. Data Protector itself is easy to install, but sometimes when we re-install it, it doesn't work and some agents do not work properly especially for Microsoft and for Unix.
Our deployment was done in 2008 and it took two to three days to finalize our deployment, the agents, and everything and to be sure that all backups were working well.
We used a partner for the deployment. We had a good experience with them.
The licensing cost was not annual. We didn't pay any license. We paid when we deployed and we didn't pay for anything after that. There were no additional fees after the initial payment.
The solution is very stable, it was very helpful. We are confident that when we do a backup, we are sure that we can restore it which is very valuable. It's very reliable and we are confident when doing a backup, we could restore it.
I would rate it an eight out of ten. It is very stable and we trust it but we've had some problems with it which is why I would deduct two points.
The valuable features are the ability to:
We write TBs and TBs of data to backend HPE D2Ds. It then dedupes all the information so we get a 10:1 ratio of deduplication. This means we can store a heck of a lot more data on less storage. It saves us time and money.
The benefit is that we've got data retention and we can store data for people. We are a financial services organization, so we are audited on the level of security of our data. This solution allows us to prove that we are storing it correctly.
I'd like the ability to search backups a lot easier. I'd like the ability to search for a particular server within a backup because people come to you and ask for the backup of a server. They talk about it in those terms. You end up trying to find out where that server is located for a particular job that you might have set up months ago. It would be good to have a search feature where you could ask, "Server X, what backup job is that?" That would be helpful.
It would be good if it worked properly and it actually gave you usable error codes.
A large percentage of the time, you get very vague messages, or it just turns off, and it never tells you why. It's very difficult to decipher what happened and what has gone wrong.
The problem with HPE Data Protector is when it goes wrong, it's very hard to fathom why it went wrong.
It's pretty scalable. Now we're on HPE Data Protector version 9.0, so you only have a single Cell Manager. We roll out globally so there's no issues with that side of it.
We have to raise support tickets and that's an extremely painful thing. It can take five to seven weeks. That's the bad side of it. It is difficult to get decent support and to get to the people who know what they're talking about.
Initially, the technical support is terrible. You raise a call and then you are asked for log after log. What you want is someone who knows what they're doing who can help you right away. When you finally get through to those people a month later, they can normally resolve your issues within an hour. However, getting to them is very difficult.
We were already using it when I came to the company. I was more involved in the decision to upgrade.
I was involved with the setup and it was reasonably straightforward. You install Cell Manager, then you create distribution servers, and then you roll out to a virtual machine. It's a pretty straightforward process.
We're probably going to have to start thinking about alternatives. Our data footprint is growing so rapidly that we're going to need to look at new solutions anyway. We have backup jobs that are over ten TBs for a single server. We need ways in which we can restore that data quickly.
We use 3PAR, so we're going to start looking at deduplication on it. We need snapshotting, and that sort of stuff. We've got to start looking at how we do things and how we can do them differently and faster. It may or not be with HPE.
When it works, it works well. When it doesn't work, it can be very frustrating.
I would look across the whole marketplace and see what's out there.
SAP R/3 Integration is what I like best because our main production systems are SAP based with Oracle database, the “save-delete archive” feature is of ultimate use. It actually saves the Oracle archive file to the disk and after the save is verified it is deleted form the disk. That way you actually keep an eye on archive space on the physical disk and at the same time you are safe that no archives have been delete from the disk without been checked.
We started using this product back in 2000. At that point we mainly used the SAP R/3 Integration along with some filesystems backups. From that point on, the software started getting integrated with Exchange Server, and lately SAP HANA. The Data Protector software is getting along with the growing needs of our company.
I haven’t found any issues that need to get improved. The main purpose of this software suite (safely backup and restore main systems) is fully achieved. It was already implemented as the company’s first backup and restore solution. As the company evolved and the technology implemented evolved along, it seemed that the software adequately supported our systems.
I've been using them since 2000.
Generally no, but there were some issues that appeared when we first tried to deploy the software to a HANA database environment. However, they happened mainly because of the HANA database Linux environment.
Mainly, I can’t say that I have encountered major stability issues. At some point in time, patches fixed some minor issues.
No issues encountered.
Customer service is excellent with a ticket per call.
Technical Support:Through the fifteen years of support from HP, you realize that many things have changed. But, above all, I have to say that technical support has remained at a constantly high level. Depending on the issue, each time, the support may be local or international. Nevertheless you will get your job done.
This was the first backup and recovery solution.
The initial set-up is very straightforward. Nothing special to be done, as it's got very friendly user interface.
Back in 2000 the software was implemented by HP. I wasn’t present for the implementation, but after that, some upgrades and migrations has happened. Both HP Greece and an in-house software engineer have performed the projects. I have to say that the level of their expertise is more than adequate.
As we have most of our systems integrated to HP Data Protector, and because we have many daily and even hourly backups, I must say that we have a high ROI in our case.
Pricing and licensing clearly depends on the systems that you plan to backup. How many systems do you have to backup (licensing), what kind of support do you prefer for your systems (24/7, 8/5) (pricing).
You have to check the needs of your systems before you decide on your backup solution. Do you have many different platforms? Do you want to integrate the backup solution with a SAN environment? Do you want to use integrations (SAP R/3, Exchange Server, SQL, etc.)
Restarting the failed session, where you don’t need to run a whole selection list backup.
Newer DP versions even have a resume feature, which should allow you to continue from the point of failure, instead of ruining the whole partition in case of a “restart failed objects“ error.
There are lots of bugs around; inability to downgrade version, issues with version upgrades, etc. For example, Data Protector version 8 didn’t have a properly working restore feature; the next upgrade came within week. All kinds of small things required workarounds and support engagement to find some tweak within the config files.
When comparing other backup software, such as BackupExec for example which I have used at the same time as Data Protector. For BackupExec our backup team did raise one vendor case throughout four years, while for Data Protector, we had three to four vendor cases opened every month. That is just in general, as I really do not remember all the details for all those, I dont know, but hundreds of cases opened with HP Data Protector support. What I remember we didn‘t have a single patching/upgrade of Data Protector version without issues, which could only be solved by HP Data Protector vendor support. While for BackupExec it was always smooth and any issues we encountered we were able to solve them on our own.
I have been using it for 4+ years.
I have not encountered any deployment, stability or scalability issues.
Customer service is great.
Technical Support:Technical support is great.
We switched because of company policy, the tapes aged, etc.
Initial setup was straightforward.
I was within the support team, which did implement as well as support the solution.
Huge. Simply eliminating the need for tape changers returned the cost of the hardware within less than half a year.
Get an expert who knows the products, so you can get the best prices possible for both DP and StoreOnce. Because there are some things that can work for the same solution in different ways, hence they are differently licensed as well as priced.
Make sure architecture is planning properly, e.g., centralised or decentralised HPE DP Cell Managers give you some quite different options and etc.
It is true that earlier versions of D.P. had some fairly egregious flaws, and D.P. 8 was a hiccup, but the new features are a huge productivity enhancement. Yes, I too have had my share of tech support issues with D.P. support, and the GUI has a handful of 'glitches' but almost all are cosmetic and most of my support issues were with newly released features that needed a bit more shake-down than had been received.
But, given all that the one thing that shines in D.P.'s favor is it's general licensing scheme. All the hosts you want to backup for free! You just pay for the backup devices (i.e. tape drives, VTLs, etc.). So if you are fortunate enough to have high performance target devices your overall basic license costs will be minimal.
We primarily use the solution as a backup. It basically backs up all of my premium items.
It's a good product that's pretty easy to use.
The solution is scalable.
The initial setup is rather straightforward.
It would be ideal if they could improve their level of support.
We've been using the solution for eight years or so. It's been a while.
The product is scalable. If a company wants to expand it, it can do so. It's not a problem.
We have less than 100 people on the solution right now.
The level of support is lacking. They need to step up the level of service they offer. We aren't 100% satisfied. They are friendly, however, they aren't really flexible.
The installation is pretty straightforward and simple. It's not too complex or overly difficult. A company wouldn't have any trouble setting it up.
The deployment is fast and likely you can have it up and running in a day.
You don't need a big technical team to handle deployment and maintenance. You might just need two people who are engineers.
I handled the implementation by myself. I did not need the help of any integrators or consultants at the time.
The product is reasonably priced. It's not too expensive.
We're currently using version 10 of the solution.
I'd rate the solution at an eight out of ten. It's pretty good.
I'd recommend the solution to others.
Our primary use case is backing up our data and restoring it when required.
Our company assets are information and data. The product protects these valuable assets.
The most valuable feature is the protection of our data with the backup capability and performance.
Make it simpler to use, integrate with as many applications as possible, and improve the dashboard.
It is stable to a point, but it has room for improvement. I would not call it a very stable solution.
The product is scalable, but it depends on the vendor's license as well as the customer's infrastructure.
The support is not good and they should really work to enhance the customer support experience.
Data Protector was our original solution. It shipped with our HP Printer.
I found the initial setup to be ok. I would not say simple or complex, but medium.
Our goal is to have the simplest possible solution that will work without extra effort.
The product was part of the backup solution that shipped with our HP printer, so we did not record a vendor implementation.
I would not recommend this product to my colleagues.
We have looked at several including Cobalt, Upline, Veritas Backup Exec, and Dell EMC.
If a company has no protection for their data and information then they need this product. However, the reliability needs to be enhanced.
Micro Focus needs to fix the current issues by working closely with customers to determine how it is that we can help.
Overall, I would rate this product a six out of ten.
This is our only backup product and we've used it since the beginning because HP was a partner of our organization.
It seems to me that HP is not focused in their backup and recovery division. They're going to release other products which integrates with Data Protector and which use special licenses for functions that Data Protector already can do. I wish they'd focus on one product that does everything, and that product should be Data Protector.
One particular improvement I'd like to see with Data Protector is the user management. A user in a group is limited to only some rules without rights to do more backup and recovery functions.
We've had no issues deploying it.
Data Protector is absolutely stable for us. We have no issues with instability.
We only have one terminal shelf so we have only one data center, but they are all backed up, so scalability works just fine. We don't really have a large environment to manage.
I think their support is OK, but not very good. The problem is that Data Protector is spread across so many hardware and software combinations that its development can't keep pace with all the changes in heterogeneous environments. So we have issues with IBM DB2 databases. The integration with Data Protector was old and unstable.
The release cycle for Data Protector was way too fast for customers, going from 7 to 8 to 9. When we had issues, they instructed us to upgrade to version 9, and then we had two or three more problems. We could never fix every problems because new ones kept coming up.
It's been better in the last year, however, because version 9 seems to be stable with some patches.
It's a very good product for backup and recovery. You should do the trial for 30 or 60 days and implement it on Linux or Windows, but not UNIX
For backup testing, previously it was taking a long time, because we needed to restore all the machines and systems. Now, testing the backup machines is very fast.
It's supports Unix, Linux, all of the OS's. It's very stable software, we have been using it for many years now. It's great.
The new backup systems are using new mechanisms for the recovery phases; for example, VM, recovery and testing the backup before recovering it. These features are not available in Data Protector. What we need to see is fast recovery and testing of backups.
The second thing is the license type. Because in Data Protector, if you need extra features, you need to buy the agents for these features. Some of the features are Terabytes, some of them are agents. There's some complexity in the pricing and licensing.
It's stable, but there are times when you need to open a ticket with vendor support. It is stable but when you are using any system, you need to open tickets from time to time.
No problem with the scalability. There are many agents, anything I need, I can buy agents and do it with Data Protector. It's very scalable. But it's costly when we need to scale it.
Data Protector is great software, but after we started getting support from Micro Focus, it was taking too much time, there was too much delay. That's why we are thinking of testing other backup software. It used to be helpful and very good. But with Micro Focus, now it's taking more time.
I wasn't directly involved but I think it was straightforward, because the integrator who did the installation was an expert.
Commvault and Veeam, these are the options on the shortlist. We haven't made a decision because there are new features being added by Micro Focus to Data Protector. We need to see if the new features and updates - maybe up until the end of this year - cover our needs. Perhaps we will not change backup software. But if we find that no, there is still complexity in recovering and testing the backups, then we will choose one of the two above options.
We requested a PoC from the vendors, just to see the features that are now available.
When selecting a vendor, first of all we need local support, here in our country, so that we don't need to open tickets with the vendor every time. A lot of times we need to open a ticket with local integrators. This is how we choose our backup software.
A lot of the backup solutions have the same features or the features are similar, because when one of them adds a feature, the others, after a few months are are adding the same thing. So mainly, we're based on the local integrator, who is providing the support and who is doing the implementation, who has very good experience. Based on comparison ratings, we haven't found a lot of difference between, for example, the Commvault and Veeam.
If you have a complex environment, if you have different OS's - Linux, Unix, Windows - if you have backup to disk, Data Protector is a very good choice to cover the whole environment. But it will cost you a lot of money.
If you need to use more than one backup software, use Commvault and Veeam for the VM environment. I have been told that Commvault is very good with physical servers and other OS's, and this is why we need to test it.
Almost all the errors Data Protector throws out come with an error code within the session messages.
"[Major] From: BSM@server.com "Production Archive by Month 2" Time: 1/4/2018 1:30:14 AM
[61:4006] Could not connect to inet in order to start BMA@server.com "VLS-032"."
The numbers inside the brackets is your error code. Usually a quick search of the internet or on the Data Protector forum will get an answer for you (you can also click on that number and it will give you more details along with suggested troubleshooting). I agree with errors outside the realm of the backup, copy, restore jobs can be a pain to track down, however the "Omni" utilities in \bin are available and will usually lead you to what is wrong and where. Sometimes the solution is non-trivial though. In other cases, like any other software, something critical goes wrong and it leads to a very long engagement with support. I had 1 with the barcode reader on automated tape libraries in which things would just fail out without any explanation and it took a lot of debug logs for them to figure it out. Those errors are pretty rare though.
As far as quicker backups on 3PAR, Data Protector does integrate with 3PAR and can use snapshot functionality, as well as there being Zero Downtime style backups. The problem with these is that it is another add-on license which can get expensive. Since you have a 3PAR, it may be worth looking into Recovery Manager Central or other integrated HPE solutions.